Dup post......

The questions we should be asking is why is the Guberment asking for this money for a system that is already standing up and operationally insignificant from a cost point of view? KCM help relieve already overly crowded passenger lines, helps crews swiftly through the checkpoints, and is a win win for everybody. So, if all airlines don't pay up, will they shut it down? Why charge for a database that airlines already pay for (CASS)? This is the government's poor attempt to pay for their bloated and overstaffed TSA agency. Thanks Nepolitano! ALPA national will be our only dog in this fight.

We are damn lucky KCM is all we have to beeatch about. We could work at AA.

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I for one would like to see the 150 topic arise six times a day!

Because giving up 150% open time gives all of the premium pay to those who live in base and who are willing to be crew schedulings bwitch.
In contract 2003, everyone had a shot at premium pay, with seniority determining priority. Now we have a free for all among only a certain few, with most of us locked out.
I won't argue the intent of the contract, but the result is definitely not "spreading the wealth". It amounted to nothing more than an unintended redistribution of the premium pay. .....and those of us with a life lost out.

Edit: posted here to keep hiring thread clean

It will take the same dedication from all of us as a group just like it happened last time. Premium pay will not return until everyone just flys their line and enjoys their time off for as long as it takes.

Really!?!?!?! That's why you're upset?!?!?! Oh WOW I never would have known that. I don't think I have ever heard that before.

You made my point sky. I agree with you 150%(see what I did there :D) but who cares anymore. It's gone. The group gave it away, they gave a lot away, we all know that. But it was voted in and thats how it works. Its been what 3 years, in the enlightened words of Rambo(from First Blood the only good one) "Let it go."

Could not agree with you more...

It ain't ever gonna happen...

I didn't say I was upset. I said I'd like to see the topic discussed six times a day. This is after all an Internet discussion forum. DN_Wisconson brought it up, I'm discussing it. Why do you care?

Those who forget history are doomed to forget it....or something like that.

Do you have a better understanding of where we are with overtime and premium pay? Was not the intent of giving up 150%OT to put more pay in ALL pockets? Did we accomplish that? Why are some still able to get paid well over average line value - within this contract - for flying 72 hours and some get paid 72 for flying 72? Was that the intent of the language? I don't think so! I think our negotiators were making an honest attempt to spread the pay out. Unfortunately, unintended consequences are allowing the disparities to continue while most are kept out of the game so to speak.
Let's keep up the discussions and prepare to fix it next time. Negotiations will be here before we know it.

Again we all get your point and most think you are right. Restating the same thing over and over again makes no sense. (just like I am doing right now)

The first new thing said in a millennia was just said by you. "Prepare to fix it next time" Everything prior was a playback of all we hear day in and day out, except you make a logical point unlike most who just scream socialism.

So whats the plan Sam? (Please without telling us again how giving up 150% was a failed maneuver by the union to equalize) That is a discussion I would like to hear.

No not at all. I was furloughed before I even had the chance to try and figure out the system from the previous contract. And when I came back we had this contract in place. I have been JA'ed once in my time here, and only because they caught me for a 4 day JA as I was walking to the gate for my commute home.

I don't live in base, I don't live somewhere we fly to, and I hate working extra once I have days off. I have no idea where we are with it because it is not an option for me unless I want to spend extra time in South Florida. Thats my only understanding of it.

Also I apologize for saying you were upset.

I'll stir the pot some more.

Great point Bored- it may of may not work for you. We're all in a different place here when it comes to how much we want meow to work vs how much we need to work....

I'm counting the days I'll be off first year pay. Meow I knew before I accepted the job here there would be many challenges during the first year. Trying to support and raise a family on it is tough. I commute as well. I will not pick up OT 1$ for 1$ at the expense of missing watching my little ones grow.

If we all (everyone of us...74%er, 26%er, commuter, live in base people) said no for a month or so, maybe 150% would come back. Of course making consessions meow for it like dropping the 4 days off between pairings would not work for us commuters........ but then there's another issue- some people here wouldn't mind seeing us lose the 4 days off between pairings. Some folks wouldn't mind seeing us lose the transition language either- because they are not senior enough to make it work. Making everyone happy is impossible:)

I'm banking on the nude ghey art show I'm having to supplement my income for the next few months:)

Meow

Ok. Ummmm. Meow????

Car/ Plane Ramrod... Would know what meow is about... Trying to hard to be funny, epic fail for me!

I bet you can't say meow 10 times......and that was the second time I got crabs.

Looks like Dana is back in service...

http://www.afriquejet.com/dana-air-nigerias-dana-air-to-resume-operation-after-licence-suspension-lifted-2012090644381.html

We are the definition of pathetic.

No KCM, company wants concessions for it, but I watch Spirit crews daily cut everyone in line in order to get through security ASAP.

$3/month is less than 1.5 hours of per diem for us. Clearly it isn't worth saving 1.5 hours of time (per month) to get us through security faster in the company's opinion.

The company has spoken - they would rather take the delay. Since the company doesn't desire for me to expedite through security for an on-time departure . . . I won't. Stop using the crew line - there's even a memo not to cut in front of passengers in one of our bases.

BTW- the fee for KCM doesn't go to the government, it goes to Air Inc., the company that maintains the CASS database, the KCM database, SFO and NYC radio, etc.

Ok, This is just as much to spank stupidity, as to bump "spirit of nks" (until Sailor comes up with a cooler name)...

Before KCM, you managed to "cut" or wait, or whatever; but I bet you made it - like the rest of us - (or you'd be NOI'd by now) to the aircraft on time (maybe your colleague did your job while waiting for you to show up?)

Mr. Ned,
What is your basis for choosing to stand in line and delay a flight?
What in the CBA allows you to NOT follow the TSA established procedure to expedite through security?

I'll be looking for you as I "cut"... doubt I'll ever see you.

And if you do have the sack to wait in line, good luck on that noi, maybe you will be the next topic of our Bi-Annual SPAMEC update.

"before take-off complete, pacifier in"

I think the government should pay for it. After all isn't there a hidden tax somewhere that subsidizes our trusty TSA and the programs that go with it?....And nothing cool about the name Ram...was born during beer, football, maury, Cheaters and unemployment! (lol)

Does spirit have Jepp library in aircraft or are you guys doing the insertions bi weekly?
Thanks

We do it the old fashion way.

I have been trying to get on Spiritpilotboard.net all day but the site is down. Any info on this?

Its back up now. Today GoDaddy got hacked by 'Anonymous' and took down millions of sites.

Gee, there's a heartbreaker.

Dont start!!!.....any idea when 2013 vac bidding starts?

Vacation bid packet must be issued by oct 7th.

What are you hearing about timing? Nothing stops Spirit from releasing it earlier IIRC, do you think they will do so?

I now know how to get a DFW base.:D I'll bid and get a great FLL vacation and then, THEN, they'll announce DFW. :(

True Story

Hey does spirit allow flight attendants from another airline to ride in the back? I'm pretty sure my friend doesn't have a recip agreement with them.

I think you just answered your own question. Where else would they ride?

Did you mean do we have agreements and will we let someone ride without an agreement? The answer is yes, if you have an agreement and no without one. Sadly they usually don't let the captain decide, they just turn them down at the gate. The few airlines that aren't on it are the ones that won't give ours a ride (American).

So, can somone explain to me why line 15 in LAS has only 11 days off and 3 days off in between trips? The trips end at 0001 on the last day but in my book thats still a working day. Are we now going to get into semantics with the company over what 4 days off means, actual calendar days vs. a rolling 96 hours?

Is there a letter of agreement I'm not aware of or is this just one of those we are letting slide?

Thanks, it will be fixed. Crew plan took it upon themselves to make some changes to the lines built by ALPA. You can see how well that turned out.

Thanks Scott. It looks like all the trips with the TLC red eye have 3 days off after.

Looks to be an error in Sabre, still trying to get to the bottom of it. Should have more info tomorrow.

Looks like a couple of lines have 7 days in a row. #vegas

Good catch, I wasn't even looking for that. Someone in planning screwed up.

Crazy what % it dropped today.

Have the figured out what they are going to do about the schedules? I'd be more than happy to be awarded one and make them drop half the schedule with pay.