Btw, what are Spirit's guidelines on Spirit pilot representatives attending a job fair? In the October 2011 job fair at FLL, there was a Spirit FO hired in April 2011. Seriously? Barely 6 months on the job, still on probation, and now he's one of the faces of recruiting? The guy seemed like a 'I made it here, now let me see if you're worthy" kinda thing. Sorry, but a 6 month FO shouldn't be representing the company, and certainly not vetting resumes.

(SF HR)

yes, I think so.

The answer to this, 4 posts above.

Maybe he/she was someone who wanted to do it. Maybe Spirit solicited them. Maybe they're screwing someone in Miramar. Who cares? Most line pilots I know have no interest in sitting around a job fair all day anyway.

I can't help but pick up some bitterness from you ShyGuy. You're critical of not only Spirit (the company) but ALPA/our MEC most every chance you get. It doesn't take much digging to see you work for VA- so why do you care? I personally don't lose much sleep over whatever it is you guys are up to over on the left coast.

Maybe you never heard anything because what I'm sniffing on an anonymous forum was also sniffed by a recruiting rep?

oh yes, sf always makes for a plesantly distracting interview

Gatorbird, I don't have anything against Spirit. Why would you think that? Spirit was on the top of my list, and I think it'd be a good place to be this year.

Most pilots these days get interviewed by more HR folks than they do pilots. Some say the HR folks interview for 'culture', but, honestly, the pilots already on property epitomize the culture already, no?

Probationary or not, the pilot is on property now, and I would trust they are plenty competent to man a table @ a pilot job fair, providing information on what it is like to fly here - or no less so than a HR specialist.

Giggity Giggity!

oooo yeah!!

Or maybe they are bucking for an instructor / check airman pay check?

Whats the big deal about being an instructor? It isnt much override for the work you do.

Instructors/Check Airman
 

Just had recurrent sims this past week. I will honestly say it was a very, very pleasant experience. Spirit has some top-notch folks from our ranks in the training department.

Everyone likes to gripe about the money those guys make, but they work very, very hard for that override. I think ya'll will be very impressed with some of the guys they've selected to be check airman. The two check airman "trainees" that observed my ride the other day are very competent, fair, and just all around good guys.

Let's keep it that way and let's make sure we keep the training department within our ranks. Those guys actually teach and WANT to do the job. Many of us are thankful for having those type of individuals in our instructor/check airmen positions.

:)

I have a question for the guys in the property: I have been trying to update my times for months now, but every time I do that, the website says "You have already applied to this position" does it mean that it has already taken my changes?

Is there an email address that i can forward my cover letter and resume to?

Thanks..

What extra work is that? driving to MIA?
Its a canned lesson plan, teaching procedures to ATP's.
Beside the 5hr / period min (that's 10 hrs for a double), and the override, you NEVER have a 30/7 issue.
Admittedly not as good a deal as when all that OT was at 150%, but still not bad.

Since im no really into any of that stuff, I can care less what they pay instructors, (grnd, frasca, sim, OE or line checks), more power to them that like to do that, as far as I'm concern let the credit 300 or more hrs, good for them.

I just would like the credit monthly lines to be more of a 85-90 avrg, rather than this scummy 72-76 avrg. And get the 150% back during transition, (oh boy, I hope I'm not stirring any stew with that)

Here's to all the twatwaffles that picked up CA OT in FLL next weekend while the company was in the negatives on coverage. You guys don't play poker do ya?

^^^^^^^ and they wonder and complain about not getting 150%..... I wonder why?

giving up %150 was a bone head rookie move....

The argument could be made both ways. I don't believe you were here then, but the (failed) strategy was quoted to be to gain 150% back when the company needed help in other areas (likely the transition language). The pilot group could've also admittedly helped this along by not picking up time at 100%. Think about it: less credit to fly, paid for 100% of your sick time (used to not be the case) and everyone got a sick bank bump from the rollover of the (useless) secondary bank. It really looked like a sure bet at the time (I admit that I felt this was how the chips would fall).

For reasons unknown, it never happened. It's been two years. Some have never gotten over it, others have just learned to play by the new rules.

FWIW it was explained to me by MM that if they didnt give up the 150% they would have lost everything else.

The 109 chairman said at the road shows that the 150% money was still in there, it was just redistributed throughout the entire pay scale. That sounded more like ALPA National talk to me, but it was the line at the time.

Right and the daily min pay is still there. It's just redistributed over your duty day.

And international override is still there. It's just redistributed over the domestic flying.

And "trip averaging" is still there. It's just distributed over everything.

Seniority based DOT is still there. It's just resorted by a Spikeyhair 4G enabled iPad.

Our profit sharing is there. We just won't see it till we get stapled to the bottom of the SWA seniority list.

I was wondering why SW cancelled every flt today TO and OUT of FLL. Xwnd limits?

Lemonade If you get stapled that will be because your union tried to strong arm Gary Kelly. Ask a trannie how thats working for him/her.

Those AirTran guys did the right thing by voting down the first SLI. They were simply out maneuvered and improperly counseled by ALPA. I feel sorry for them.

Huh??? That statement contradicts itself. Also, they didn't vote down anything, the MEC rejected it without sending it out for a vote(my understanding). They certainly didn't end up with anything better, so I'm not sure how you could say they did the right thing by turning down the first offer. I have no dog in that fight, just an outsiders opinion.

Huh??? What are you saying. The MEC did indeed vote to reject the first SLI. That is how our MEC does it right? We too have a separation between committee and MEC, don't we?

What are you guys talking about? Dont your committees work for your MEC? The tranny merg comm worked for the tranny MEC and they did not choose wisely. Don't try to strong arm Gary Kelly.

Gee Lemonade, from your bitter remarks regarding the CBA it would appear that you're not happy with what you're working under. You did have a chance to review it before accepting a position with the airline right? I mean, that would be irresponsible on your part to blindly accept a position with a company and not understand the conditions of your employment.

Those of us here before the current CBA have an ownership to this contract and are well within our rights to have beef with it. For me, I came in under the last CBA knowing it's goods/bads/uglies and never felt I had a right to complain about it; I was dealing with a known quantity when i started and could only concern myself with what I would like to see improved on when we were able to (and I rolled my sleeves up and got involved).

I'm starting see what Ramrod has been saying all along about others coming in and telling him he's been doing it all wrong. For those of you that are relatively new here: welcome on board; it's a fun place to work and probably better than where you came from. We're trying to make it even better and have been hard at work at it for years. Sometimes we get it right, sometimes we don't. You are more than welcome to roll up your sleeves and get to work alongside us; this is your group now too and we could use the help. We would just assume, however, that you leave the negativity and any bitterness at the door. Even the parts you see that you don't like came on the backs of other's hard work. Like it or not, 450 of us walked out the door and gave Spirit the finger knowing we may have flown our last trip in an airplane with an "NK" on the tail. It wasn't easy- and we shouldn't expect it to get any easier the next time around. So the next time you get the notion to b&$ch about what you knowingly walked into, we'd prefer you just keep it to yourself. Most of you came from regionals that haven't done a damn thing to improve on this profession, so now's your chance to make a positive mark.

Don't interpret any of my comments to mean that I have any bitterness to those that sacrificed before I arrived here. Turning down a job because I don't like pieces of the contract is just plain crazy. In a few years it will be redone anyhow. The bottom line is that I am now a part of this union and have investigated how we got where we are. Now I want to be part of the future and have a right to my opinion. I will be working right beside you to make this place a better place to work. OK?

Well put gator!!! I was wondering what gives a guy that's hired in early 2012 the right to be bi$&hing about a contract he never fought for???? He should have went to Virgin or Bluejet! I'm fairly new here too. I enjoy my job a lot, but also see room to make it better next time around. Rest assured I'll be pulling up my sleeves and in the trenches with you all to make it better! Until then, I'll go to work and keep my FNG opinions to myself!!!!

He/she has the same right to complain as anyone else on property, IMO.

It was great that we all came together for the strike - seriously, despite our differences, nobody crossed, and that was awesome.

But now that we're growing again, we are taking on new pilots. We have to assume Spirit hired these guys based on their qualifications, what they know. We, the Spirit pilots, would be incredibly short-sighted to limit the input of these new pilots, some of whom were much more than simply 'RJ guys' prior to joining our group.

So, new guys, feel free to complain - each complaint should be recognition of a potential weakness in our contract, and an issue you can help us fix when you get involved. We have too many guys, both new and old, that sit on the side-lines, lobbing negativity, but refusing to make any effort to help fix the problem.

Walking a picket line in the past doesn't give you the right to complain. Making an effort NOW to fix problems does.

Thanks nedskid. WE should all be able to work together to make ths a better place. If someone made mistakes in the past we can all learn from those mistakes. That is a sign of maturity. Now let's get prepared for a potential buyout or merger.

New spirit routes announced on twitter a little while ago. Den-phx, PDX-San, IAH-ORD, IAH-LAS

anyone knows if the hiring panel in ORD will be interviewing or just collecting Resumes and shaking hands?

Are we stoping LAS-AZA-LAS?

Heard the same. Don't know the reason why.