I did say "OR SO", anyway this are some of the best news for our friends waiting on a call....

Anything in there about 1 AC in Sep, and two more in Nov?

Yes for SEP (but you knew that Ram).

The ac in Sep, and the first three in Jan-Mar 2011 are confirmed(PDP paid). BBB says 5 total coming next year, but I have heard through some other sources that it MAY be up to 10 or 11 total(depending on what kind of lease deals they can work out). Thats all I know for now.

And now you may all know one theory as to why Spirit keeps posting profits...

Spirit's credit rating fell in the toilet back in 2008. They have to show profitability to have a fighting chance at attracting favorable financing to enable the airline to sustain slow, measured growth. The credit markets are still very difficult for small companies like Spirit, and will most likely get tougher for other companies also.

They also have to show lenders they have a plan for getting back market share that was lost when the airline gave back 7 airframes. So far, they seem to be convincing lenders their plan may work.

Just want to make it clear.

One A320 on Sept 15. This is part of the 2010 orders.

Any other A320 for this year is just rumors or speculation, until Spirit or the leasing company confirms it with a press releases or we see them on the ramp.

Jan, Feb and Mar have been confirmed by the company and by the leasing company.

From the staffing numbers at least one recall class before the end of the year.

JN

I read about the two in Nov over on ALPOLEAKS... Usually good info, just wondered if anyone else heard it.

What is ALPO leaks?

ALPO Leaks

Sounds like new dog food.

:D
JN

Are you yes voters going to be upset when the place goes public and you get no employee stock options? Just wondering, because the pre-ipo guys and gals at jblue mad a lot of money. That's right Alpowhisper, the many profitable quarters are because of an IPO....coming soon to a theater near you...

Actually...I don't believe an IPO is in the works...I think a more likely scenario is a sale of the airline. I've been wrong before and I may be wrong again....we'll see.
:cool:

Obviously, we, the YES voters, YOUR majority, of YOUr pilot group don't think that the IPO is that life changing to have voted NO.

Are you gonna keep coming back just to antagonized us, or are you going to be supportive and productive.

The NO voters as much as the YES voters, for the most part are over it, and moving on. For your own sanity, I suggest the same.

Cheers

Aside from a select few, who sold thier options early on, most of those guys and gals at jblue, are very upside down on the company stocks. Last I checked it would have to tripple for most of the 2003-2006 guys to break even. Depends... bottom line JB was no SWA stock program. fwiw...

No, you cost me money. I would of had double the signing bonus and 10% more pay, but you helped me not get that. Oh well, we'll get 'em next time....

Kenny Rogers said it best....You got to know when to hold em, know when to fold em, no when to walk away, know when to run.....

He also makes good chicken....

I cost you money, send me the bill, as if you could have done better negotiating, please!! Absolutely nonsense.

Great choice of food!! says a lot!

Umm, thats pretty much why we all voted YES. Stop proving yourself wrong, it leaves me with nothing to do!:D

I'm thinking he is more like Lunatic Fringe.....

From the MEC furlough rep:

Hello Everyone

There have been a few questions concerning the anticipated recall of
furloughed pilots at the end ot 2010.

Here are some of the tentative details that we are projecting will be
solidified in the next month or so:

1. The first group of recalled pilots is tentatively projected to
enter a training class in October 2010 to start flying in November or
2010.
2. Subsequent training classes are tentatively projected to follow in
November and December.
3. New Hire pilots are tentatively anticipated to come on property in
the First Quarter of 2011.

The bottom line is that recall of ALL furloughed pilots is being
planned between October 2010 and the First Quarter of 2011. Whatever
you situation is please start thinking about your acceptance of a
recall or deferral until the point of a MANDATORY RECALL. *The
tentative plan is that there will be a month by month attempt at
getting small groups of furloughed Spirit Pilots back on property.
Based on the number of deferrals and the companies need for bodies
back on property a MANDATORY RECALL may happen some time in November
2010 or December 2010 or First Quarter of 2011. I am sorry to be vague
but there are a large number of variables in this equation and we will
not know how the whole process will shake out until it begins. As in
the past, I am assuming that a company representative*will be calling individuals (from the top of
the list down) in an attempt to get a (yes I will becoming back / no I
will be deferring) response prior to the official recall letter
hitting your mail box. Again, depending on how many deferrals occur,
the process of going through the entire furloughed pilot list may
happen quickly and if the companies need for pilots exceeds the number
of acceptance responses, a MANDATORY RECALL (either accept recall at
that time or resign permanently) will occur and hopefully you know
what your final answer will be.

If you have any questions about this please feel free to contact me
and I will address your questions.

Sincerely


Pretty promising looking by the sounds of things.

Sorry to be vague?
 

Glad they were able to pin it down to maybe kinda sorta in the neighborhood of the area around six months or so. Very reassuring, very promising. Meanwhile, enjoy that 90 hour line build!

Great news!, i'll be glad to see some of my friends back.

What's that average line in ACY for Aug. under the new contract Ram.... oh yeah it's not even 80hrs:rolleyes: I would rather fly 90hrs and have 13 days off then fly 72 and still only have 13 days off:cool:

Put a little more beer in your glass so you can say it is half-full; life is more enjoyable then a half empty attitude:)

Yeah, hope I get one of those 89+ hour block lines in FLL in Sept. Don't worry though, they only use the 90 hour line build during the peak season. Of course Sept is traditionally the LOWEST block month of the year.

Half full / half empty, whatever. At least my schedule will be FULL. Hey furloughed guys, high-five an MEC member when you see them - maybe sometime in 1Q11!

Comming from several sources (one from MX) 2 more A320 this year after Sept's delivery.

JN

Just got my line for September 75 hours block, 79 credit and only 13 days off. That stinks like always BUT I'm working the last 6 days of august and the first 6 days of september. If the road show and contract interpretation is correct those suckers are going to have to give me 6 days off. Let's see how this plays...

I think they can drop the first 6 days from this months trip
Or they can drop 6 days next month but build you back trips on the 5 & 6. Or even put you resv. Days.

That how I understand it. Current month they can only drop but the new month they can drop or add.

In this case would have 6 on than 4 off. Than 2 on. This would be if you bid the default option.

Fresco would be the guy to ask....

JN

So...maybe 2 more this year, mmmmk, that's even better news for our furlough buddies, and for us.:)

good luck with that. I don't think even Baily Potter can work that magic....

Don't believe anything "Team Origami" told you....

let us know how it works out for you...

Hmmm......

BTW, I also have one of those mega-conflicts. I cant wait to see what they do.

There are only 9 lines that are over 85 hours in Sept (less that 10%), and they coincidentally have the highest days off. None lower than 16. 4 have 3 or more weekends off. I don't know who likes that kind of crap:rolleyes:. If I wasn't a commuter, sign me up!


It is my understanding that they can't assign days off in the middle like that. The days off have to come from the ends. As long as all of the days are touching, it is considered one block of flying even if it is 6 'day trips'. So in your case, they could give you all the days off in the old month, all the days off in the new month, or a combo from the outside ends with the caveat that if they split a pairing, they must split it as it goes thru your domicile. (They can't deadhead you home from anywhere, it must end with a flight into your domicile.) So it looks like you will be getting 6 days off pay protected from that group of flying. Of course you are free to then pick up flying if you wanted on those days off consistent with 30/7 limits. (At straight pay, of course.) Anyone else read it that way?

So long Grizzle!

God Bless.

HEY MERLYN, how did that transition work out for you? :D

My hardest laugh today came from here:

Two Yes Voters

Wow, transition conflict meltdown. See how the CO. treats you when you even gave them a concessionary contract. If you voted the contract down, we could of at least had a larger signing bonus. This is just the tip of the iceberg yes voters...shameful..ARM, say it aint so....what happened????....It's too late, there is no reversing the damage inflicted on this pilot group......We will never forget..

What in the world are you talking about?!

He is talking about the company BLATANTLY ignoring the only provision of the CBA that could even be construed as a win. Many of us got completely BONED on transition. Merlyn said they had a large conflict block; I was wondering if it was resolved correctly, or if the company iggy'd the CBA

Shameful Ben, just shameful.

Ok, just read the email, thanks. I guess we will be using that "expedited arbitration" things a bit sooner than we had hoped.:mad::(

Finally the new contract is out in PDF format.

JN

AND the MEC is "FLUMMOXED". Holy Crap! FLUMMOXED in an official correspondence!

This is better than Creed's "pounding your pud" comment on the conference call!
This is my new favorite MEC saying, replacing "Slick new reserve system".

Ok, where is the juggling bear on the unicycle?

I LOVE THIS CIRCUS!

I'll take BIG COOL SOUNDING words for a thousand, Alex!

That's why you go after the pay rate. It's hard to misinterpret an actual number like 150. Anyway, hope all you yes voters learn a lesson from this for the next contract vote in 2020....

Wait til you see your "Quality Of Life" when they interpret the RAP...and when they close DTW and ACY.....

ALPA really did a number on the NK pilot group. Hey Jblu, vote in alpa so you can get a terrific quality of life, it will cost 20% of your current pay thou.....

True, but everyone will be equally miserable. That's what happens when you put socialists in power.