Originally Posted by skybolt (Post 1373257)

Let's get something straight. I'll be happy to argue issues and history. I won't get into a ****ing contest about honesty/dishonest when that discussion involves persons not able to defend themselves.

When it is implied that I am dishonest, I'm happy to defend myself.......up to the point that my defense involves showing something negative about a person not in this discussion. Most of what you want to discuss eventually ends up in "he said, she said" and I see no reason entering into that discussion.

I don't really see any argument on your part. You've made claims about certain unnamed spirit pilots. Making claims is not an argument, sorry.

Speaking of sorry. I'm sorry you got furloughed. Spirit did furlough too deeply when they did so, no question.

I'm not backing out of anything. See my response to shift work. When you present facts vs perceptions, then I'll respond in kind. If I'm wrong I'll admit it.

Go ahead and tell us what you think of people who argue like I do. You're anonymous, no one will be able to retaliate.

You know who I am. Yet you hide behind anonymity and then deride my style of argument. Nice.

Regarding your last comment about "hard core opposition", your anecdotal evidence proves absolutely nothing. It doesn't prove that no one wants to fly with Mr or Mrs "200 credit hours", although it might prove that his/her schedule constantly changes as he/she trades/drops/manipulates his/her schedule. Try arguing something besides your perceptions next time.

Originally Posted by Orbit (Post 1373294)

Skybolt dont you realize they are just screwing with you. Anyone that disagrees with the MEC is an enemy of the people. I thought everyone knew that. Geez

Originally Posted by Cruise (Post 1373289)

Are you intentionally obtuse....or just new to 121 flying? I'm finding it difficult to believe you don't understand this.

We're not talking about credit hours, there are tons of ways to earn credit and most of which are legitimate even if there are pilots on furlough. But if someone picks up flying out of open time (not talking about advertised trips from someone else)....open time, where scheduling is looking to fill a trip, should never be picked up when there are furloughees.

Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs (Post 1373849)

not to take away from the debate going on here, but anybody know of a store that has the Navy pants to match the jacket? I bought one pair from the vendor but will need more..............

Originally Posted by Normann (Post 1373291)

You too know who I am. At least twice I PMed you in the past with my info over different boards. That just for the record.

You jump the guy that labels the opposition something bad. But you don't mind the opposition labeling the leadership something bad. Never mind it is done every day over the other board (which you are frequenting a lot). Interestingly you never ask them for a proof. Perhaps you missed all those comments that make up about 75% of the web-board. But this is also happening in the cockpit, the crew room, etc. You see I have a problem with that. It is not helping us as a union.

You want proof? What do you want me to do? Start paste/copying stuff or carry a recorder with me? I don't need to prove a thing. The behavior is present and self evident. And that behavior is dishonest. I stand by that.

This is certainly pointless though. Bye bye Skybolt!

If someone else wants to chime in I will respond. For now I am off to my St. Patrick's Day party.

Originally Posted by skybolt (Post 1373892)

I am a past MEC Chairman of Spirit ALPA .

Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs (Post 1373849)

not to take away from the debate going on here, but anybody know of a store that has the Navy pants to match the jacket? I bought one pair from the vendor but will need more..............