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Old 05-04-2014 | 05:03 AM
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I'm not really that surprised, although I was expecting the numbers to be higher than 17 pilots, 8 of which are FO's. If you consider the ratio of pilots to airplanes, we are pretty fat on pilots, in my opinion. With 943 pilots on property (per APC) along with 56 planes, that works out to be about 17 pilots per airplane. Virgin America has 618 pilots to 53 planes which is about 12 pilots per plane. JetBlue, 2691 to 193 is about 14 per plane. SWA, 6,830 to 573 is roughly 12 per plane. So in those examples I can see how they think we are a little fat on pilots. I realize that we have the highest utilization and such but we are still a little fat on crews.
Old 05-04-2014 | 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by more windshear
I'm not really that surprised, although I was expecting the numbers to be higher than 17 pilots, 8 of which are FO's. If you consider the ratio of pilots to airplanes, we are pretty fat on pilots, in my opinion. With 943 pilots on property (per APC) along with 56 planes, that works out to be about 17 pilots per airplane. Virgin America has 618 pilots to 53 planes which is about 12 pilots per plane. JetBlue, 2691 to 193 is about 14 per plane. SWA, 6,830 to 573 is roughly 12 per plane. So in those examples I can see how they think we are a little fat on pilots. I realize that we have the highest utilization and such but we are still a little fat on crews.

Our CBA is quite different than any of the other airlines you listed. Besides high fleet utilization, our work rules necessitate a fatter staffing model. Perhaps we are slightly overstaffed, but management has no choice but to stack up on pilots due to the uneven delivery schedule later in the year. Our training capacity would not be able to provide a glut of pilots later in the year. These voluntary leaves are just management trying to save a few pennies short term. I imagine it may go senior. After all, how often can you take a summer month off?
Old 05-04-2014 | 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by ManFlex
After all, how often can you take a summer month off?
Exactly, seems a pretty sweet deal for someone who can afford to take a month off without pay.
Old 05-04-2014 | 07:47 AM
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I would probably do it if it were offered in DFW. 1 month first year pay isn't a life changing hit.

Being able to take the month off to have "The Summer of Juice" would be awesome.
Old 05-04-2014 | 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by The Juice
I would probably do it if it were offered in DFW. 1 month first year pay isn't a life changing hit.

Being able to take the month off to have "The Summer of Juice" would be awesome.
How do I like "The Summer of Juice" statement?
Old 05-04-2014 | 09:23 AM
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Anyone else at The Crowne Plaza this week. I have my PC. Beers on me.
Old 05-04-2014 | 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by ManFlex
I imagine it may go senior. After all, how often can you take a summer month off?
In my limited experience its hard for me to imagine any of our senior captains voluntarily taking a month off without pay. Well, maybe one....
Old 05-04-2014 | 10:08 AM
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would obviously prefer to see more green days but i guess thats not how they decide to do staffing.

not much to see IMO.[/QUOTE]

That's how Jyri and the boys blatantly decide to violate the contract.
Old 05-04-2014 | 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs
Anyone else at The Crowne Plaza this week. I have my PC. Beers on me.
Good luck on the PC. Starting a four day tomorrow or I'd take you up on it.
Old 05-04-2014 | 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs
Anyone else at The Crowne Plaza this week. I have my PC. Beers on me.
I come in tomorrow night for a PC this week. Beer is awesome
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