Give me one good reason why not...and I don't want to hear that we are smaller or we are a ULCC. That's all bull$hit. We fly the same aircraft with MORE people crammed in them at a higher profit margin than practically anyone. We should be the highest paid A320 pilots based on that alone. Let's not forget DAL's retirement and profit sharing either.

The old school battered woman syndrome that runs rampant around this place, especially amongst the senior folks, needs to stop. Grow some balls.

 

Little error? That was half of your argument. BTW, United contract was extended before it even became amendable, AA got profit sharing before it became amendable, JetBlue just got 8% via LOA during negotiations.. But let's keep making excuses for little sweetheart Spirit.

 

Any idea how much 16% retirement is on the delta/Ual and SW TA rates while also not having to pay in your current 9%. Any idea what a $50k profit sharing check is like?

Yes I think 85-100% raises are realistic.

Further, had you joined us in dfw the other day you'd know the average mediation lasts 29 months. If you were working you get a pass.

 

Yikes. I can't stomach another 26 months of this. Maybe negotiations will go really well in December..............

(See what I did there)

 

To expound for those not getting the joke: there are no mediation dates in December.

 

Not needed due to the "Maaaaajor announcement" in November.😇

 

Too bad this won't fit on a lanyard. Love it.

 

Our pay rates were a product of the industry at that exact time… not a cop out by our pilot group or NC. The only company to get a TA before us was Sun Country… and for a short time, our pay scales were among the highest. $232 looked pretty good when DAL was at $206 for the same equipment. G4 management was brilliant when they finally decided to “give in” just before things exploded. Do you think our NC would have negotiated our rates if the SWA and DAL new pay scales existed at that time? Probably not… they would have had more leverage.

Unfortunately, you can’t use your peers “hypothetical new pay scales” at the negotiating table. See Allegiant! Fortunately for you guys, you’ll benefit from being behind a few other airlines in the TA department. From where I’m sitting, your timing makes me a bit jealous.

However, you’re setting yourself up for extreme disappointment if you expect to be higher than Delta

 

Yes, those rates were from before SWA and Delta got their TAs. I think that's what you're questioning.

 

Not questioning. I'm just a G4 guy trolling this thread . Just responding to Qotsaautopilot’s comments about G4 pay rates and the reason we have them.