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Old 10-23-2015 | 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Lobaeux
From a high of 85.35 back in early Dec 2014, to 39.60, the stock is tumbling. It may have been overpriced, but with a P/E of 10.89, I don't really think so. The troubling thing is the market cap, it's just over 2.91B, that's not good. We were over 5B less than a year ago.

Oct 27th is going to be very interesting, I'll be very interested to see the analysts reactions to increased capacity and the threat of AA (although I think the AA pricing structure is a publicity stunt, it'll get decimated by the Street if it continues). The worrying thing is the fact that AA has noticed us.

I think we're ripe for some sort of possibility, but I highly doubt it will be a merger with Frontier or American. If anything, I could see Spirit being taken private again, any further loss of market capitulation could be blood in the water for the funds. Being taken private could signal merger with private Frontier, then that would spark a greater IPO.

Just my .02

You don't have to be a private company to merge with a private company. It is possible, but I think Franke wants his money, and a merger would probably not add too much value to the stock while diluting the total number of shares available. The big reason for stock added value is when both companies lower their costs due to synergies they separately didn't have, but I think there isn't much more room for lower costs at either company. I think F9 will IPO before they do anything like a merger. Time will tell.

Originally Posted by Plane Ramrod
You're right. Had this been an actual merger they would have brought in the hotel committee.
I always thought it was the hostage and internment committee. Or does that depend on if it's a hostile takeover or not?
Old 10-23-2015 | 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Left Handed
You don't have to be a private company to merge with a private company. It is possible, but I think Franke wants his money, and a merger would probably not add too much value to the stock while diluting the total number of shares available. The big reason for stock added value is when both companies lower their costs due to synergies they separately didn't have, but I think there isn't much more room for lower costs at either company. I think F9 will IPO before they do anything like a merger. Time will tell.
Totally right! This is why I don't see a Spirit-Frontier merger.

The private company statement I made was not in reference to a merger with Frontier as a requirement, but taking this company private and merging with Frontier could result in a bigger IPO, but would delay that IPO for years.

The only reason to really take this company private would be to consolidate the investment and reduce public scrutiny/reporting. The only other reason would be to accelerate growth without the restrictions we're seeing now in regards to negative analyst sentiment associated with increase capacity. But, that train has left the station, that growth has been announced.
Old 10-23-2015 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Plane Ramrod
Riddle me this...

The MEC is required to send out a notice of the special mec meeting. Who in their right mind would send out a required notice like they did (key terms being: special, negotiating committee update, closed session) without any kind of email to us about the general reason for the meeting. Possible answers:
1. Incompetent people
2. People that don't give a $hit about the members they represent.

You couldn't come up with a better speculation starter except maybe list Barry Biffle as special guest. I think this type of disregard and disrespect of the members is truly torch and pitchfork worthy. Then again, I may just be manstrating.
3. A serious split between the MEC members as it relates to negotiations. As someone just reminded us, it's only been a few months since we had Council 18 attempt to remove elected Reps from 77 and 109 with Article VIII proceedings*. Does anyone think that it's all hugs and kisses within the MEC?

I'll give you 1, and 2, if you'll add in 3 Ram.

*All you haters can't deny this one. No matter how much you want to blame DFW and the BBQ club for all your problems, the facts are that the MEC implosion came from DTW toward LAS and FLL.

Edit: I'll add to your question of "who in their right mind". I'll say why? Public meetings are for show. The real deals are almost, if not, always made behind the scenes. Why call a meeting at National HQ Herndon, announce the meeting, deny members the ability to attend, etc, all for nothing more than an "update"? If the MEC is doing it's job, it's all already totally up to date. If it's not totally up to date, then maybe tar and feathers....strike the tar and feathers, that's another guys line....then maybe the torches and pitchforks are necessary.

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Old 10-23-2015 | 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ShopVac
I cant wait for them them tell us we have only this small window to approve this TA then all will be lost for many years to come.
Mark my words.
Or what? Be left in "no mans land"?

If it's that important, let them MEC ratify. They all wanted, fought for, the positions of responsibility, let them have the cojones to make the tough decision.
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Old 10-23-2015 | 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by skybolt
Or what? Be left in "no mans land"?

If it's that important, let them MEC ratify. They all wanted, fought for, the positions of responsibility, let them have the cojones to make the tough decision.
Why do you think it's a good idea to MECRAT? No contract should ever be approved without the full (eligible) membership voting on it. Not for any reason. Ever.
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Originally Posted by Left Handed
Why do you think it's a good idea to MECRAT? No contract should ever be approved without the full (eligible) membership voting on it. Not for any reason. Ever.
Where did I say that it was a good idea to MEC ratify?
Old 10-23-2015 | 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by skybolt
Or what? Be left in "no mans land"?

If it's that important, let them MEC ratify. They all wanted, fought for, the positions of responsibility, let them have the cojones to make the tough decision.
This is a pro MEC ratify statement. You called it important, and said for them to go ahead and make that tough decision because thats what their position entails.

I would never have said 'go ahead if they think it's important' if I was against it. I would have said "They better not be thinking about MEC ratify" if it was me. If that was not your intent, then I misread your post.

For the record, what do you think about MEC ratify? Are you for or against it?
Old 10-23-2015 | 03:14 PM
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Nice mec update. Special meeting just to get an update from nc? Why DC? Pick up the damn phone and have a conference call!
Old 10-23-2015 | 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Left Handed
This is a pro MEC ratify statement. You called it important, and said for them to go ahead and make that tough decision because thats what their position entails.

I would never have said 'go ahead if they think it's important' if I was against it. I would have said "They better not be thinking about MEC ratify" if it was me. If that was not your intent, then I misread your post.

For the record, what do you think about MEC ratify? Are you for or against it?
I thought someone would have jumped on the 'membership must vote on all issues effecting pay' resolution that I've heard about yet never made it into the policy manual.
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