I would settle for a new contract that has that issue fixed.

 

That's right Ram. You straighten that Moose Jaw guy out otherwise we might be on the receiving end a life shattering "job action accusation"

 

For those getting called by CS for the open time trips due to the hurricane; please remember you need 10 hours of rest prior to the duty period. If you get called after midnight for a showtime prior to 10am---you are essentially violating FAR regs because you were ASSIGNED and ACCEPTED a flight within the minimum required rest period. To each their own when it comes to picking up flying as long as you are working within the scope of the contract whereas FAR regs could impact you personally.

 

I interpret that the FAA allows you to sleep 8 hours (on your own time) then wake up and decide to pick up a trip.

"ALPA asked whether an air carrier could contact a flightcrew member when the flightcrew member is off duty but not on a rest period to give a flight assignment. If so, ALPA questioned whether the carrier must provide at least 10 hours of rest prior to the flight assignment. ALPA also asked whether a flightcrew member could voluntarily elect to “pick up a trip” from open time if he or she will have the requisite rest prior to the report time for that trip.

As discussed above, the start of a previously-scheduled FDP can only be changed by utilizing the reserve provisions of § 117.21. As such, a certificate holder that wishes to bump up the time of a previously-scheduled FDP would have to provide the flightcrew member with the pertinent long-call-reserve notice of the FDP change. Alternatively, if a certificate holder anticipates that it may need to call in a flightcrew member for an FDP, then that certificate holder should provide the flightcrew member with the required 10-hour rest period and then place the flightcrew member on short-call reserve.
These circumstances change if a flightcrew member decides, on his/her own initiative, to pick up a trip from open time, as the regulations do not prohibit this practice as long as the flightcrew member has received the required rest. However, the FAA cautions flightcrew members that § 117.5(a) requires a flightcrew member to “report for any flight duty period rested and prepared to perform his or her assigned duties.” The preamble to the final rule explains that this provision was added to the regulations to, among other things, “discourage flightcrew-member practices such as picking up extra hours.” [44] Thus, while a flightcrew member is free to voluntarily pick up extra flight hours from open time, the flightcrew member may be in violation of § 117.5(a) if this activity results in the flightcrew member becoming unduly fatigued."

 

However, if the company contacts the crewmember (not vice versa) and the crewmember accepts without a scheduled preceding 10 hour rest period--is this not a violation? I agree with the above that if a crewmember volunatrily picks up a trip it is their responsibility to be fit for duty. However if the company makes the initial contact and the crewmember accepts it, there is a log of transaction that could be pulled (by the FAA) should an incident/accident ensue afterwards. This is where we get hung out to dry with little recourse. I'm just looking it the old school way--from a Feds point of view with these late calls--early showtime scenarios...At least its something to ponder............................................ .............

 

If I sleep for 11 hours and wake up rested. Then scheduling calls and asks if I can fly in three hours? If I'm rested why couldn't I?

After 11 hours of actual sleep, there would be no way I could sleep right away and then 10 hours later I would be ready for bed. I think we need to use a little common sense here too.

 

If you are on days off, it is not the company's responsibility to make sure you have the required rest. It is yours. That being said, I'm enjoying my time at home this week, and I'm not answering the phone. I encourage you all to do the same. So relaxing...

 

Nice! Almost 10 yr CA here just got hired at Delta! What does that tell you guys?.

Don't know his age or situation but good for you!


When a 10yr CA here leaves, you know it's time to go

 

I gotcha. I was just looking at it from the point of initial contact from CS for an assignment to when the report time is. thanks for the clarification

 

You shouldn't pick it up for many reasons but it's not illegal