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I get the idea of acting unified, but the bottom line is that there are nearly 1600 of us now and some people are going to be in situations where they have to do what they have to do. I am fortunate that I am single with no kids, however I know several pilots who came from regionals and still had to support a wife a multiple kids on first year pay. They have to do what they have to do even when they make it to second year pay.

Do guys exist that are just getting as much credit as possible to pay for a bigger boat, sure. But I don't know everyone's situation and more importantly I am not paying their bills. Maybe remind them what they could be making if we get a new contract, but do it politely and not on a public forum.

Flytolive719

Well said, at the same time we shouldn't single out our union brothers because a loud few don't agree with how they're legaling behaving under our union contract. I wish our workers unions had more strength in this country. Unfortunately our hands are tied by the power of the government who is controlled by corporations. I am always confused why 95% of union pilots are so far right wing. We are labor workers. Not to sound too crazy left but you all should check out Micheal Moore's "Who to Invade Next" if you want an example of how weak our labor unions are compared to Europe.

Alphafloor

Kinda funny having the words "strength" and "Michael Moore" in the same paragraph.

abbynormallaw

Fella, the problem is most of these guys are not staying in the lines of the CBA! Direct emails to crew scheduling..you bet! Schedulers calling the special ones..you bet! Getting a call for a JRM OR MUP, then working out some special deal..you bet! Time to knock it off! Fly the CBA!

BILLION dollar deal isn't going to be gift wrapped and handed over by Bendo! Forget about it!

Flytolive719

Strength for the people, the thing is everyone has their one sided opinions and beliefs so concrete in their head that they don't bother to see what the other side has to say. I'm assuming you've probably never seen his work because you already know you disagree with him. I'm not saying if there is a right or wrong side but if a person believes so strongly about something they shouldn't be afraid to see another opinion.

Flytolive719

If that is true then we do need to put a stop to that. Who can do that? Our union reps.

abbynormallaw

Yes! GH and scheduling committee can't handle the work load. I've heard first hand multiple pilots have direct access to the scheduler of their choice...

balakay

[QUOTE=Flytolive719;2335110]Well said, at the same time we shouldn't single out our union brothers because a loud few don't agree with how they're legaling behaving under our union contract. I wish our workers unions had more strength in this country. Unfortunately our hands are tied by the power of the government who is controlled by corporations. I am always confused why 95% of union pilots are so far right wing. We are labor workers. Not to sound too crazy left but you all should check out Micheal Moore's "Who to Invade Next" if you want an example of how weak our labor unions are compared to Europe.[/QUOTE

michael Moore, the poster boy for liberal hypocrisy

Super EZ E

How do you know that action is taking place?? That's a bold statement.

OneEyedMonster

Exactly.

We all remember those who would abuse their 5 JRMs a year, cut deals with schedulers with trips to vacation homes in Bimini etc. So the union started to crack down on the company over these people, and it pretty much stopped. Pretty much...

Do you think that these people saw the error of their ways and now see the light? Nope, they are the same greedy pigs of before that will do whatever is necessary to make that coin.

And yes, we have people emailing the crew scheduling supervisor to put themselves on their own private SA list, we have pilots calling to solicit themselves for open time, outside of JRM, and they are getting trips. Now the union is forced to take these cases to NCC hearing to sort it out.

I do not even blame the company, they need to cover flights, the onus is on the pilot to not do this crap in the first place, but we have those who do it.

As far as the 5 JRMs...yes, its contractually compliant. I would only say that a lot of those rules and provisions in our contract are "peace time" provisions vs "war time" provisions.

Yes, we can give up our seat in the back and take the JS for a revenue passenger. Yes, we can taxi on 1 engine until necessary. Yes we can make a best effort to get to the airport inside of 3 hours to help out. Yes we can volunteer to do an engine run, call for paperwork, believe the 'every minute matter'....all peace time provisions. We are not at this point any longer.

Its been way overdue to turn the eagle head to the arrows and away from the olive branch.