SY First Prime Air Bird
05-14-2020, 06:03 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
were they doing both freight and scheduled pax service at the same time in their own name, or branded flying like Prime? Have we ever had companies flying the brand of an airline that doesn’t even exist with a 121 certificate? I suppose the American Eagle brand or United/Delta Express is branded flying in a name that isn’t actually an airline, but those are plays on words for the mainline carrier they contract with. There is no Prime Air airline.... yet....
Amazon is building all the infrastructure to run an airline without actually doing it.... yet they are exercising more than enough operational control that a single carrier petition could just be lurking over the horizon.... same paint (branding of an airline that doesn’t even exist) same uniforms in some cases, directing the routes and schedules. They’re doing it all but running the plane and crew.
Amazon is building all the infrastructure to run an airline without actually doing it.... yet they are exercising more than enough operational control that a single carrier petition could just be lurking over the horizon.... same paint (branding of an airline that doesn’t even exist) same uniforms in some cases, directing the routes and schedules. They’re doing it all but running the plane and crew.
05-16-2020, 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by goinaround
Why would anyone file a single carrier petition? DHL has many many companies moving their freight. Been that way for quite a while now.
05-18-2020, 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by symbian simian
Filler....................filler
Thanks for the catch.
07-16-2020, 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by TLAR
Looks like Amazon love the production out the SC pilots, rumored to to get 2 more freighters on top of the 10. This should indicate the pilots will keep their jobs after October 1
08-03-2020, 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
the other feeders aren’t flying the same fleet types. Further, Fedex does operate its own airline under its own 121 certificate.
amazon is essentially having operational control of The Who goes where and when without being an airline, without holding a 121 certificate. It’s a business model that really hasn’t existed. Flying a brand that not only isn’t an airline, but isn’t a feeder for one that is.
amazon is essentially having operational control of The Who goes where and when without being an airline, without holding a 121 certificate. It’s a business model that really hasn’t existed. Flying a brand that not only isn’t an airline, but isn’t a feeder for one that is.
08-05-2020, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by CA Deplorable
Not true Burlington Air Express didnt have a 121 Certificate until the late 90s and used multiple carriers ( more than Amazon and DHL combined). It wasnt until the late 90s when I think they bought ATI.
BAX had a fleet that was operated by ATI back when ATI and BAX were both still owned by Brinks. US Cargo and others did some contract work as well.
The pilot labor unions need to fight to get the RLA modernized commensurate with modern business practices. The RLA exists to preserve the status quo. There is no status quo when the employer can say take these concessions, or your flying goes to the other guy. When the RLA was written, you could not go to PanAm pilots and say take these concession or we give your flying to TWA. Unfortunately, it's very easy for them to tell an ABX pilot to take concessions, or ATI gets your flying. Or, in your case.... Amazon to Sun Country to take the contract for 3% less at renewal or we will give the flying to Southern or Mesa.
The problem in our industry is the RLA itself.
08-05-2020, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by apex7
12 planes is not going to keep 380 pilots employed. Sure the charter stuff is there and I doubt the pax side would shut down completely , I still think there will be some kind of furlough.
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