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11-11-2025 | 02:40 PM
#1532
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From: Guppy
So who's idea in Management was it to send that fatigue email out? Truly disgusting and whoever is taking this stance should hand in their resignation or seriously reconsider their stance.
They did not fix anything with pairing construction. I have multiple trips/pairings over the past 2 months where we are getting into an outstation around 2PM then expected to report at 2-3am for a van. Attempting to obtain adequate rest in the middle of the afternoon under those conditions is extremely difficult, especially when the preceding days’ schedules are misaligned.
I hope the FSDO has a close eye on this issue and I would go as far to say it should be reported to them. The wording and tone clearly discourages people who are genuinely fatigued or sick from calling out. In my 16-year career as a pilot, I have never received an email of this nature.... deeply troubling.
They did not fix anything with pairing construction. I have multiple trips/pairings over the past 2 months where we are getting into an outstation around 2PM then expected to report at 2-3am for a van. Attempting to obtain adequate rest in the middle of the afternoon under those conditions is extremely difficult, especially when the preceding days’ schedules are misaligned.
I hope the FSDO has a close eye on this issue and I would go as far to say it should be reported to them. The wording and tone clearly discourages people who are genuinely fatigued or sick from calling out. In my 16-year career as a pilot, I have never received an email of this nature.... deeply troubling.
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11-11-2025 | 06:10 PM
#1533
In a land of unicorns
Joined: Apr 2014
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From: Whale FO
I hope the FSDO has a close eye on this issue and I would go as far to say it should be reported to them. The wording and tone clearly discourages people who are genuinely fatigued or sick from calling out. In my 16-year career as a pilot, I have never received an email of this nature.... deeply troubling.
11-12-2025 | 04:24 AM
#1534
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Joined: Jun 2019
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FAA stance is that the company can fire you for calling out fatigued. There is no FAA requirement for a good faith/no fault fatigue program. All FAA says is you have to be removed from duty if you call fatigued, everything after that is an employee/employer relationship issue, and FAA doesn't care about it.
11-12-2025 | 09:15 AM
#1535
In a land of unicorns
Joined: Apr 2014
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From: Whale FO
11-12-2025 | 01:34 PM
#1536
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11-14-2025 | 07:23 AM
#1538
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Joined: Aug 2018
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11-14-2025 | 05:19 PM
#1539
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Not many are. Feb PPR out today had 315 CA. Go back a year it was 304. Net +11 CA while onboarding 8 Amazon birds. But I guess we don’t have an upgrade problem. I use to chat about it in the cockpit. Hardly think about it anymore.They can blame us- but we don’t set The Tone.
For those asking about CVG, today’s position report had fifteen slots available for the February 1 opening. Two FOs bid it. Thirteen available for new hires. Come one come all!
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