Boeing studies pilotless planes...
06-20-2017 | 08:34 AM
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It has been hacked."
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06-20-2017 | 08:46 AM
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Single-pilot airliners would require levels redundancy and autonomy which doesn't currently exist (the former could be bought, the later we just don't know how to do yet).
Or they need a secure and redundant datalink, the likes of which only one example exists that I'm aware of: command and control of nuclear capabilities.
06-20-2017 | 08:51 AM
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"Folks, this is your data integrity monitor. I don't fly, but just report when our data link has been hacked.
It has been hacked."
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BGDlZ1Thzrk
It has been hacked."
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BGDlZ1Thzrk
06-20-2017 | 08:59 AM
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We've had those since 1903.
Single-pilot airliners would require levels redundancy and autonomy which doesn't currently exist (the former could be bought, the later we just don't know how to do yet).
Or they need a secure and redundant datalink, the likes of which only one example exists that I'm aware of: command and control of nuclear capabilities.
Single-pilot airliners would require levels redundancy and autonomy which doesn't currently exist (the former could be bought, the later we just don't know how to do yet).
Or they need a secure and redundant datalink, the likes of which only one example exists that I'm aware of: command and control of nuclear capabilities.
06-20-2017 | 09:54 AM
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The technology absolutely exists, and is mature, the problem is it doesn't integrate with the current ATC system at all. If you update the ATC system, you can dump one pilot. The second pilot is there to cross verify the flying pilot, you can move that function to the on board machine learning CPU, coupled to a ground based monitor. Aircraft will eventually go direct to every destination, and space themselves. In an environment like that, hand flying would be strictly prohibited. It wouldn't surprise me if they remove the yolk and rudder pedals in the Boeing 797. The pilot will have a tiller for the ground, and an autopilot FCP/FMS for inflight emergencies.
I want what your smoking
06-20-2017 | 06:29 PM
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The technology absolutely exists, and is mature, the problem is it doesn't integrate with the current ATC system at all. If you update the ATC system, you can dump one pilot. The second pilot is there to cross verify the flying pilot, you can move that function to the on board machine learning CPU, coupled to a ground based monitor. Aircraft will eventually go direct to every destination, and space themselves. In an environment like that, hand flying would be strictly prohibited. It wouldn't surprise me if they remove the yolk and rudder pedals in the Boeing 797. The pilot will have a tiller for the ground, and an autopilot FCP/FMS for inflight emergencies.
The airplanes can "fly" themselves, that's not the issue. The issues are WX, irregular ops, and backing up ATC (they make mistakes too). Human judgement and flexibility can't be duplicated just yet...and nobody is even close yet, you can build an idiot-savant machine to play chess, or analyze vast amounts of data, but thye can't make machines that can be creative and exercise prudence at the same time.
Plus the systems integration issues...it has to be designed, integrated, and certified and there is no roadmap for any of that yet. Regulatory inertia and risk-aversion will cause more delays than technology readiness.
06-20-2017 | 08:07 PM
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You and many others sound like experts on what is to come. Do you know something we don't know? Man it seems like a lot of you hate being a pilot so much you WANT this to happen. Newsflash, it's not happening in your lifetime! Sorry you'll have to go back to being paid to fly airplanes and travel the world, the horror. Sincerely: common sense.
06-20-2017 | 08:09 PM
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The technology absolutely exists, and is mature, the problem is it doesn't integrate with the current ATC system at all. If you update the ATC system, you can dump one pilot. The second pilot is there to cross verify the flying pilot, you can move that function to the on board machine learning CPU, coupled to a ground based monitor. Aircraft will eventually go direct to every destination, and space themselves. In an environment like that, hand flying would be strictly prohibited. It wouldn't surprise me if they remove the yolk and rudder pedals in the Boeing 797. The pilot will have a tiller for the ground, and an autopilot FCP/FMS for inflight emergencies.
06-21-2017 | 10:23 AM
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Once again you all are missing the point, machine learning automation makes flying as easy as driving a car. The human element is NOT removed. In this environment, there is no reason to pay a pilot over $50K.
Second of all C130, why didn't the captain of the GermanWings flight stop the FO?
Second of all C130, why didn't the captain of the GermanWings flight stop the FO?
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