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Old 11-23-2018, 09:54 AM   #1  
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Default crosswind landing techniques Challenger 604

Need any tips anyone can provide. Been flying Falcons most of my career and now flying a Challenger 604. Need any tips on Crosswind landings in this jet. Very different then a Falcon from the feel to the pitch attitude and use of controls.
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I thought it was ‘wing down, top rudder’ for most any plane? I suppose things can change over time.
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I thought it was ‘wing down, top rudder’ for most any plane? I suppose things can change over time.
Well Falcon's are engineered to fly nice while Bombardier doesn't care.

You're probably trying not to overcontrol, but the 604 has stupid small ailerons with no spoiler assist, and the gear doesn't like side-load. Likely you need larger and more aggressive roll inputs. Wing down top rudder and don't try to hold it off in the flare because you can run out of aileron.
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I thought it was ‘wing down, top rudder’ for most any plane? I suppose things can change over time.
Naw, you'll get more youtube views with "land in a 30° crab and let maintenance figure it out!".
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I thought it was ‘wing down, top rudder’ for most any plane? I suppose things can change over time.
Careful with any plane having geometry limits. 8⁰ will start scraping tips on a C-5 and a Global if get the body angle a little above normal. I’ve done several investigations on scrapes. Surprisingly, many are no where near the demonstrated crosswind limits.

Decrab, really a combination of decrab with a few degrees of wing low, is the way to go.

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Well Falcon's are engineered to fly nice while Bombardier doesn't care.

You're probably trying not to overcontrol, but the 604 has stupid small ailerons with no spoiler assist, and the gear doesn't like side-load. Likely you need larger and more aggressive roll inputs. Wing down top rudder and don't try to hold it off in the flare because you can run out of aileron.
It was actually Bill Lear and Canadair that didn’t care. It’s a 40-year old design.
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Careful with any plane having geometry limits. 8⁰ will start scraping tips on a C-5 and a Global if get the body angle a little above normal. I’ve done several investigations on scrapes. Surprisingly, many are no where near the demonstrated crosswind limits.

Decrab, really a combination of decrab with a few degrees of wing low, is the way to go.

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That’s how the 320 will do it in an auto land. It will wait for what seems like an eternity while it’s 10’ AGL in a big crab before correcting. It then kicks in a steady (but heavy) dose of rudder to swing it around in a hurry with slight wing down. It doesn’t land sideloaded or off centerline so I tend to copy it.
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I thought it was ‘wing down, top rudder’ for most any plane?
I know it all kind of happens together, but I’ve always put in the rudder first. The proper amount of rudder aligns the a/c with the runway. You can’t know how much wing to put down in order to kill the drift until you have the correct amount of rudder in.
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I know it all kind of happens together, but I’ve always put in the rudder first. The proper amount of rudder aligns the a/c with the runway. You can’t know how much wing to put down in order to kill the drift until you have the correct amount of rudder in.
Were it only flown that way! In investigating 12 wingtip scrapes, only two occurred when the winds were close to the demonstrated crosswind component. Several were with less than 10 knots cross component. Seems some just roll in bank mechanically and as long as the nose is straight—good to land. Not so much. And I’ve flown with a couple that fly that way.

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