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Old 04-01-2019 | 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by PerfInit
This is one of the main reasons I got seriously bored and left the long haul world. BOS or MIA to SEA was the worst, particularly in winter. I much prefer shorter legs. If you do contemplate using Portable Electronic Devices to prevent boredom, make sure you ask the Capt first if they are OK with it and ensure no Feds are in the jumpseat watching you. See 121.542(d); you can thank the crew that overflew their destination by several hundred miles while they were totally oblivious, bidding for next month’s sked.
The whole “bidding” thing is totally ridiculous considering the amount of radio calls that they missed... Do you take your headset off to bid?

I’m guessing that they both dozed off, but didn’t want to admit it. It probably would have been better if they had admitted to sleeping rather than online bidding. OK, back to the regularly scheduled thread programming...
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Old 04-02-2019 | 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Bahamasflyer
Did you even read and understand my post??

I was talking specifically about FAR 121.542(d), which was implemented only 5 yrs ago.

If you are going to not allow one to listen to music through bluetooth at FL350 on a 4 hr flight, why don't you ALSO prohibit them from eating, drinking coffee, or reading a magazine too?
That specific regulation was inserted by congress as a knee jerk reaction to the guys who fell asleep on their way to MSP, but *claimed* they were playing with a laptop. The sponsor was a well-known pilot-hater in congress. The actual regulatory language is so complex (references FCC regulations) that I'm not even sure what it really means. So no, it's not really supposed to make sense.
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Old 04-02-2019 | 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by dera
A lot of 121 airline FM1's actually prohibit reading magazines etc in cruise...
So no, you can't do your crossword puzzle.
This is true, but they don't really mean it, and could never prove it (unless you do it with a fed in the JS). They just say that to CYA in case a pilot ever creates a problem by being distracted.
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Old 04-02-2019 | 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by dera
A lot of 121 airline FM1's actually prohibit reading magazines etc in cruise...
So no, you can't do your crossword puzzle.
Yeah, I know. My point was the cure is worse than the disease.
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Old 04-02-2019 | 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by cashewchop
Anyone have some realistic ways to pass the time on long flights up front?.....
Passengers have an expectation and a right that their pilot has their utmost interest in safety. If your not engaged with the task of flying the airplane you shouldn’t be there flying the airplane. Period. Relying on automation and having your brain engaged in a movie, book, or napping will drive you beyond six feet under fast. Startle effect.

My longest flight was 17.3 hours. Was it boring? Yes. Thank God.
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Old 04-02-2019 | 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
A lot of 121 airline FM1's actually prohibit reading magazines etc in cruise...
So no, you can't do your crossword puzzle.
Chuck Norris looks at crossword puzzles before departure, mentally solves them during cruise, and fills in the letters after arrival. No violation.
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Old 04-02-2019 | 12:35 PM
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I’m still shaking my head that BOS to SEA is a “long leg.”

What do I do?

Write down time and fuel at each fix.

Note the trends in each.

Update winds.

Set up diverts in the fix page. Ask myself “what would I do if....” regarding the diverts, since they are often airports and/or countries I have never been to. So....

I’ll look at the Jepps to see what they have. Look at company notes for operating hours since I’m usually flying all-nighters.

Review NOTAMS for these airports, which are often difficult at best in foreign countries.

Stop reviewing and just look at stars....I can see stuff where I fly that I can’t at home.

Get a crew meal and/or coffee. Lav break. Ask the F/As if everything is good in the back.

Look at WSI and our radar to see if we need to deviate.

Read the complicated escape-route verbage for the Andes if we have to descend.

It’s easy to sit there and do nothing if nothing goes wrong. But as others have opined, I try to give the folks in back...and my fellow crew....the deserved amount of knowledge, skill, and preparedness they deserve if the excrement impacts the impeller.
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Old 04-02-2019 | 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer
I’m still shaking my head that BOS to SEA is a “long leg.”

What do I do?

Write down time and fuel at each fix.

Note the trends in each.

Update winds.

Set up diverts in the fix page. Ask myself “what would I do if....” regarding the diverts, since they are often airports and/or countries I have never been to. So....

I’ll look at the Jepps to see what they have. Look at company notes for operating hours since I’m usually flying all-nighters.

Review NOTAMS for these airports, which are often difficult at best in foreign countries.

Stop reviewing and just look at stars....I can see stuff where I fly that I can’t at home.

Get a crew meal and/or coffee. Lav break. Ask the F/As if everything is good in the back.

Look at WSI and our radar to see if we need to deviate.

Read the complicated escape-route verbage for the Andes if we have to descend.

It’s easy to sit there and do nothing if nothing goes wrong. But as others have opined, I try to give the folks in back...and my fellow crew....the deserved amount of knowledge, skill, and preparedness they deserve if the excrement impacts the impeller.
All of these, and also things like...

Play with the "what if"-function of the FMS to get a stronger mental picture of the airplane performance

Read your FM1/AOM1/AOM2. You can always find new stuff in there.

If you're the captain, ask your FO about scenarios you've experienced to see how they think.

You know. Flying airplanes-stuff.

I don't care about checking your Facebook once every now and then, but I wouldn't watch a movie. 10 minute "mental breaks" are fine, but 2 hours concentrating on something else is not cool.
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Old 04-04-2019 | 10:40 PM
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My old job sometimes had me sit at a desk for 24 hours staring at a wall. So at least it’s not that
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Old 04-05-2019 | 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by hydrostream
My old job sometimes had me sit at a desk for 24 hours staring at a wall. So at least it’s not that
When did you get out of prison?
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