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Old 07-22-2010, 09:35 AM
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Does an RJ (CRJ 200/700/900) meet the requirements of a complex aircraft? The definition in the FAR's says:I don't think per the definition that it does, but if I'm wrong, please enlighten me.
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Old 07-22-2010, 10:14 AM
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A CRJ technically is not a "complex" airplane as defined by the FARs. It certainly is a very complicated airplane (moreso than many airplanes that are actually classified as "complex," such as a Piper Arrow), but it does not have a controllable pitch propeller and so is not "complex."
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It is confusing because:

61.129 (a)(3)(ii) Retractable landing gear, flaps, and a controllable pitch propeller, or is turbine powered

and 61.31e Retractable landing gear, flaps, and a controllable pitch prop.
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An RJ requires a type rating to operate, think of it as a complex aircraft endorsement on steroids. Out of curiosity, how did the question come up?
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I appreciate the help. It came up because I fly one and I wondered the proper way to log it.
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An RJ requires a type rating to operate
As PIC.

And before ICAO stepped in, the SIC didn't even need one of those silly little "SIC" type ratings.

He/she could operate that RJ all day long without a type rating.

If the person is flying PIC on the thing, putting the time in a "complex" category won't matter much. But then again, neither will it if they're SIC.
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Originally Posted by dojetdriver View Post
As PIC.

And before ICAO stepped in, the SIC didn't even need one of those silly little "SIC" type ratings.
The SIC type is not really silly, it's a just a label which is applied to the training which was always required to serve as SIC on a turbojet.

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He/she could operate that RJ all day long without a type rating.
But he still needed some training, quite a bit in 121/135.

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If the person is flying PIC on the thing, putting the time in a "complex" category won't matter much. But then again, neither will it if they're SIC.
I wouldn't log it as complex, it does not have a controllable pitch prop.
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Old 07-22-2010, 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by fjetter View Post
It is confusing because:

61.129 (a)(3)(ii) Retractable landing gear, flaps, and a controllable pitch propeller, or is turbine powered
Not confusing at all...this is NOT the definition of complex, this is aeronautical experiencde requirements for a rating. The word complex is not mentionerd.


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and 61.31e Retractable landing gear, flaps, and a controllable pitch prop.
This is the FAR definition of complex.
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Old 07-23-2010, 05:31 AM
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Does complex time even matter? I mean, once you have your commercial and CFI, does any care about complex time? Most jobs either want ME time or PIC turbine time so they are really not going to ask about complex time since those are assumed to be complex.

I always find people boasting about the number of complex time (which you are not doing, I'm just saying) about as important as bragging about how many landings you have accomplished.
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It is useful for insurance purposes.
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