Immediate Action Items from memory
01-24-2012, 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyerJosh
Iceman,
Do you have a link to the actual study results or full paper?
Do you have a link to the actual study results or full paper?
01-25-2012, 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Thedude
In a modern JET there are very few items that need to be accomplished by memory. The only ones I can think of off the top of my head are O2 and runaway stab. All others can wait a few mins.
More airlines and operators need to move to eliminating memory items. The more you have the more chance you have at screwing it up.
More airlines and operators need to move to eliminating memory items. The more you have the more chance you have at screwing it up.
01-25-2012, 03:56 AM
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I used to fly the Citation Bravo (CE-550B) in y past life and we were allowed to pull the Pitch Trim CB for a trim runaway without referencing a checklist. Once the runaway event was under control, we would then reference the EMER checklist for "Pitch Trim Runaway."
01-25-2012, 05:29 AM
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Not sure about the real airplane, but it is possible to land the 200 with full nose up trim in the sim. My sim partner and I did it in initial training.
Also, pulling the breakers is part of our Immediate Action Checklist, but they are NOT memory items.
Also, pulling the breakers is part of our Immediate Action Checklist, but they are NOT memory items.
01-25-2012, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyingNasaForm
I agree 100%. However with the trim runway if it goes full nose up you're dead. (This is what I've heard from people who've done it in the sim. I don't know if that's true, and obviously the sim is not the airplane.)
Never having flown a barbie jet, just old Boeings and Airbuses, isn't there a stab brake built into the system that only requires opposite force than the trim to stop the trim (or elevator) from moving?
Even if the trim does runaway to the full stop position, you should still be able to control pitch via power. Not an ideal way but it does work and I had to demo it in the A-300 sim training.
01-25-2012, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Thedude
Never having flown a barbie jet, just old Boeings and Airbuses, isn't there a stab brake built into the system that only requires opposite force than the trim to stop the trim (or elevator) from moving?
Even if the trim does runaway to the full stop position, you should still be able to control pitch via power. Not an ideal way but it does work and I had to demo it in the A-300 sim training.
Even if the trim does runaway to the full stop position, you should still be able to control pitch via power. Not an ideal way but it does work and I had to demo it in the A-300 sim training.
01-29-2012, 06:06 PM
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This:
Bombardier Model CL-600-2B16 (CL-604) Airplanes and
It is required by AD to be a memory/ immediate action item. All airlines that operate the CRJ should have a similar procedure.
Bombardier Model CL-600-2B16 (CL-604) Airplanes and
It is required by AD to be a memory/ immediate action item. All airlines that operate the CRJ should have a similar procedure.
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