Rogue Examiners (Flying magazine)
#31
I read one of her articles in "Flying" a few years ago. She describes taxiing a DC-3 and hitting a tree with the wing tip. Her friends to come collect her in a Baron and on the flight back they bust mins to land while everyone in the back seat is drinking beer. Great article...very professional (not). Len Morgan is probably turning over in his grave.
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#32
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Read how Martha describes herself in this article where she takes pride in making a G-II go around because she is an immature ****
Unusual Attitudes:
"Prudence and discretion have never been my strong points and sometimes, even now, I marvel at my lack of maturity and good sense"
"When the controller sent The Company GII around for traffic (us), I felt a shiver of excitement. I know, I know, immature, unprofessional, unfriendly, risky, inefficient, wasteful, polluting, immoral, costly, bad for the environment and the economy. As Sister Mary Adelaide checked on my third-grade report card: “Does not exercise self-control.”
Then at the end of the article she admits to telling her student to pretend he's a G-II pilot and say over the radio that it's okay for her Cessna to take off. She needs to be locked up and banned from flying again.
Unusual Attitudes:
"Prudence and discretion have never been my strong points and sometimes, even now, I marvel at my lack of maturity and good sense"
"When the controller sent The Company GII around for traffic (us), I felt a shiver of excitement. I know, I know, immature, unprofessional, unfriendly, risky, inefficient, wasteful, polluting, immoral, costly, bad for the environment and the economy. As Sister Mary Adelaide checked on my third-grade report card: “Does not exercise self-control.”
Then at the end of the article she admits to telling her student to pretend he's a G-II pilot and say over the radio that it's okay for her Cessna to take off. She needs to be locked up and banned from flying again.
#33
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Sept 25, 1978. Every student pilot should read that report, among others... In fact I keep a few select NTSB reports in a binder for them to read, and that is one of them. Additionally, I worked a GA accident, as a mechanic, assisting the NTSB about a month after the PSA accident occurred. I asked a veteran investigator I was working with about that accident. He said it was the worst one he had ever seen. Now that this has jogged my memory; I also had the pleasure of working with Wally Funk on that same wreck. Now there is a remarkable lady.
#34
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You may have missed the point of my analogy here. I was saying that the canceling your subscription to 'Flying' magazine for one article with which you took issue is a bit of an overly dramatic stance much like not flying on an airline because they didn't you when your qualification weren't really that competitive to begin with and there are a few thousands applicants or very few jobs.
#35
I find it to be more of a consumer issue, that just some silly stance on my part. If I'm going to pay for a subscription, I'm now part of the user base, one of my limited options to right what I see as a wrong is to cancel my membership. I don't think she should be paid (surely not with my money) to be a writer for the magazine, I choose not to support that kind of unprofessionalism. And after reading through the more recent posts it seem to be more than one article.
Do you also make it a habit of not ever going back to a restaurant if you encounter ONE bad waitress? How about never going to a movie theater again because ONE movie quit in the middle and it took 5 minutes to get it going again?
This is not personal. As you might guess I have no druthers whether you cancel your subscription or not. My comments were merely an observation on your stance (and the other poster's stance) on how you chose to deal with ONE disappointing example of a service.
#36
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I've always had an opinion on pilots who unjustly fail, bust, or otherwise give lesser experienced pilots a hard time in the cockpit. It all stems down from insecurity and inadequateness, as both individuals and pilots, in their own abilities.
Point in case, examiner failed me on my commercial check ride because I demonstrated a full-stall (stall-break and recovery), and the examiner advised me that PTS standards had changed and imminent stall indication was the new standard. I surmised this she was out for a quick buck, seeing as the recheck was 0.4 in the Hobbs and overall one hour, but only $50 less than the original full check ride ($350/total $750). Cleaned out the bank account and borrowed $75 from a friend while she waited at the airport.
Promised myself I would never be that type of pilot when I moved on that day.
I've always respected and admired experienced aviators in their ability to minimize emotionally based distractions in the cockpit. Clearly someone who drags it in to send a corporate jet around has some major attitude and immaturity issues that are going to get someone hurt one day.
Point in case, examiner failed me on my commercial check ride because I demonstrated a full-stall (stall-break and recovery), and the examiner advised me that PTS standards had changed and imminent stall indication was the new standard. I surmised this she was out for a quick buck, seeing as the recheck was 0.4 in the Hobbs and overall one hour, but only $50 less than the original full check ride ($350/total $750). Cleaned out the bank account and borrowed $75 from a friend while she waited at the airport.
Promised myself I would never be that type of pilot when I moved on that day.
I've always respected and admired experienced aviators in their ability to minimize emotionally based distractions in the cockpit. Clearly someone who drags it in to send a corporate jet around has some major attitude and immaturity issues that are going to get someone hurt one day.
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#37
Martha
Actually,
I had my ATP check ride with her, and passed. I was a CFI when she ran the "Wings Week-End" over at KHAO and it was always a success.
Flew the DC-3 out of KMWO and was the FO one one check ride that she gave the captain.
Never felt she was unfair. In fact, I always seemed a learning experience with her as much as possible within the constraints of a check.
Just the other side of the same coin over the life of a pilot.
AWACS
I had my ATP check ride with her, and passed. I was a CFI when she ran the "Wings Week-End" over at KHAO and it was always a success.
Flew the DC-3 out of KMWO and was the FO one one check ride that she gave the captain.
Never felt she was unfair. In fact, I always seemed a learning experience with her as much as possible within the constraints of a check.
Just the other side of the same coin over the life of a pilot.
AWACS
#38
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I just read an article in the latest flying magazine by Martha Lunken titled "What Goes Around Comes Around, Sometimes the applicant is his own worst enemy"
In the article she goes into detail about her administering a checkride in which she busts an applicant. After distracting the applicant she then tampered with the ADF and changed the frequency inserting the incorrect frequency for the approach. Besides the fact that examiners tuning navigational equipment is specifically disallowed by the PTS, this was a blatant trick used to incite a bust.
Has anyone ever dealt with her? If not have you read the article and are you equally disgusted?
In the article she goes into detail about her administering a checkride in which she busts an applicant. After distracting the applicant she then tampered with the ADF and changed the frequency inserting the incorrect frequency for the approach. Besides the fact that examiners tuning navigational equipment is specifically disallowed by the PTS, this was a blatant trick used to incite a bust.
Has anyone ever dealt with her? If not have you read the article and are you equally disgusted?
Interesting considering this method of operation was and still used by many old school instructors and examiners alike. I have ran into a few both privately and professionally. The best thing about this happening professionally you can get it addressed through the union or company whereas privately word of mouth will steer the student from this type of examiner. As a pilot who has a A&P, I would love nothing more than to work on the aircraft this examiner is flying and let them figure it out. An aircraft has so many systems and equipment a pilot doesn't need to know the entire details of it's operation in order to be safe.
#39
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Sept 25, 1978. Every student pilot should read that report, among others... In fact I keep a few select NTSB reports in a binder for them to read, and that is one of them. Additionally, I worked a GA accident, as a mechanic, assisting the NTSB about a month after the PSA accident occurred. I asked a veteran investigator I was working with about that accident. He said it was the worst one he had ever seen. Now that this has jogged my memory; I also had the pleasure of working with Wally Funk on that same wreck. Now there is a remarkable lady.
I remember the PSA accident as if it was today, it was on a Monday. I had earned my private license about six weeks before this accident in the L.A. basin. This accident taught me to cover your behind through the process of not depending on others outside of your cockpit. I always tell younger pilots controllers, bosses, and others will go home tonight, will you?
#40
I remember the PSA accident as if it was today, it was on a Monday. I had earned my private license about six weeks before this accident in the L.A. basin. This accident taught me to cover your behind through the process of not depending on others outside of your cockpit. I always tell younger pilots controllers, bosses, and others will go home tonight, will you?
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