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CaptainCarl 07-25-2011 09:25 PM


Originally Posted by num1pilot (Post 1026278)
Yes, all ground school classes have been postponed indefinitely. I was told they have no idea when they will start running them. I was also told it was due to a lesser amount of attrition rate than what was expected. At this point I would recommend excersizing your options elsewhere. If they were hiring only due to attrition, this could be a while.

I'mma go out on a limb here and guess that classes were postponed indefinitely because there's no use in training pilots on an aircraft they're not going to fly. Once the company has all their training ducks in a row, I have a sneaking suspicion all new hires will be "large turboprop" qualified by the end of the year :)

Salukipilot4590 07-25-2011 09:27 PM


Originally Posted by CaptainCarl (Post 1028645)
I'mma go out on a limb here and guess that classes were postponed indefinitely because there's no use in training pilots on an aircraft they're not going to fly. I have a sneaking suspicion all new hires will be "large turboprop" qualified by the end of the year :rolleyes:

If, for some reason, the cynical side of me loses yet again this year (never thought we would get a TA without a cooling off period) I'm going to be the first one bidding for that French chick.


I've wanted to fly the ATR ever since I was a small inner-city youth.

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviatio.../5/1256531.jpg

CaptainCarl 07-25-2011 09:39 PM


Originally Posted by Salukipilot4590 (Post 1028646)
If, for some reason, the cynical side of me loses yet again this year (never thought we would get a TA without a cooling off period) I'm going to be the first one bidding for that French chick.


I've wanted to fly the ATR ever since I was a small inner-city youth.

I hear that. There's something about the ATR that's sexy.

Unfortunately, I hate to break it to you, but there's a part of the new contract (Section 24.D.1 Restriction to Vacancy Bidding) that says:


Pilots may bid from their current positions into positions requiring training only if the position bid has a higher rate of pay, except:
And the "except" part doesn't apply because we are not split into divisions. Therefore, since the ATR would be on the same pay scale as the ERJ, you might be stuck on the jet :( I know, it's kind of a bummer. Maybe they will make some exceptions, such as when the time comes to upgrade (that counts as a higher rate of pay, right?). But you have to consider what you want to upgrade on, the jet or the turboprop?

Salukipilot4590 07-25-2011 10:00 PM


Originally Posted by CaptainCarl (Post 1028648)
And the "except" part doesn't apply because we are not split into divisions. Therefore, since the ATR would be on the same pay scale as the ERJ, you might be stuck on the jet :( I know, it's kind of a bummer. Maybe they will make some exceptions, such as when the time comes to upgrade (that counts as a higher rate of pay, right?). But you have to consider what you want to upgrade on, the jet or the turboprop?

Oh but of course I would be upgrading into it. I have the time and knowing how many people have been applying to this place in the past 4 months (almost nil) they would be desperate enough to lower the company time requirement.

I mean if I couldn't hold CA in the airplane until I had 1500 company time....that wouldn't take much since about 9000 of the sr EMB FOs have the time and want to re-upgrade into something that makes more money.

IF, and that's a big if, we get the ATR.....everyone's QOL would improve 10 fold (as long as you're on property at the moment).

Not going to lie...my initial life plan was to be flying the ATR at Eagle after college.....alas I didn't have the 100ME to apply back when I was a young whippersnapper.

TBucket 07-25-2011 11:43 PM


Originally Posted by Salukipilot4590 (Post 1028650)

IF, and that's a big if, we get the ATR.....everyone's QOL would improve 10 fold (as long as you're on property at the moment).


Yeah, this place is so small now that any significant new flying means everybody on property now gets an upgrade. (or re-upgrade)...

pagey 07-26-2011 06:23 AM

Does TSA already have a payscale for ATRs? Are you guys running like 5 crews/acft?

undflyboy06 07-26-2011 06:25 AM

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mking84 07-26-2011 06:27 AM


Originally Posted by pagey (Post 1028734)
Does TSA already have a payscale for ATRs? Are you guys running like 5 crews/acft?

No, I heard that once the TA is passed that he will spin up a new company and hire captains off the street and pay them TSA plus $1

johnso29 07-26-2011 06:29 AM


Originally Posted by Salukipilot4590 (Post 1028646)
I've wanted to fly the ATR ever since I was a small inner-city youth.

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviatio.../5/1256531.jpg


I remember chucking bags on to that bird in college! :eek:
Man that forward cargo compartment got freaking hot in the summer!

PurdueFlyer 07-26-2011 06:55 AM

Could TSA even fly ATRs for American? Doesn't American's scope prevent anyone except American Eagle from flying anything over 50 seats?


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