FlyingKat

Depends on how you negotiate it.

FirstClass

If 14 days off per month is the most you can get, how does a 4 hour min day help you? Are you willing to trade pbs for a 4 hour day provision 1 for 1?

Trying to figure a scenario where a 4 hour day minimum helps you? Dead head?

FlyingKat

That is how our pairings are built. In my mock PBS bid I had 15 days off.

Really? A 4 hour min day gets me more pay on days when I fly one or two legs for an hour or two hours of credit. It also forces the company to make our days more efficient because they are paying us the minimum day if they build inefficient pairings.

FirstClass

Yeah that's a good point.

Planedrive

How many aircraft are planned for the Denver Operation and what is the time frame on having it 100% up and running? Is it going pretty senior so far?

IlliniPilot99

18 a/c

i believe over the next 18 months and it is going senior right now, that will change over the next few months

FlyingKat

Unless something changes all the new aircraft after May are going to Denver until it gets to 18, then the rest go to Dulles

Bellanca

For whatever reason there seems to be a lot of trips that look something like this:

Day 1: 5.5 hours
Day 2: 2.5 hours
Day 2: 2.5 hours
Day 4: 4.5 hours

4 hour per day would force them to use us more efficiently or pay up.

LeTourneauAlumn

I hope the best for TSA on negotiations but let's be clear. There's a reason TSA was awarded other carriers AC and it's not based on looks.

As a 9.5 year pilot at XJT (8 of that as an FO) I was able to stack $93,000 in my 401k and never even thought about what my Healthcare cost EPO90 BCBS. I know it's a reality of the industry but it hurts that companies like Comair and XJT try to hold a higher standard and pilots continue to hurt the profession, is that mindset so far removed?

I don't blame any one individual so don't take it personal but I'm trying to wrap my head around this quick upgrade/movement concept at PSA, MESA, and TSA?

Again I hope for the sake of the profession that TSA can turn this situation into a win for ALL pilots but I'm not very confident.

I think as far as a career goes getting an upgrade and gaining experience is awesome just not at the expense of other pilots jobs. I am proud that a high number of my XJT comrades are making their way to United in big numbers but as stated not everyone will be as fortunate.

Remember there are 10k CAs already in line for mainline; not saying you can't get out sooner but it's not as easy 1 2 3...

Keep us posted on negotiations and remember, management will always play dumb and act poor when it comes time to pay!

Letu

flyingreasemnky

It really doesn't have as much to do with your contract as it does with your longevity. Trans States already has equal or higher pay rates than XJT but a lot lower longevity. Yes, TSA doesn't have as good of soft pay and health insurance but again not what really hurts XJT.

On average at TSA, you have a first/second year CA flying with a first year FO which is a combined hourly rate of $86.91/$89.34 versus XJT flying the same aircraft with a 12 year CA and a 7 year FO of $128/hr. Not to mention more XJT CAs are likely to be older with a family which means higher insurance costs even if you had the exact same plan. If you raised TSA first year pay for CA to $70 and FO to $40, you would still be cheaper than XJT by $18 in a combined hourly rate.

Compass' hourly pay is much higher than RAHs but I bet you will find they are much cheaper flying the same aircraft. Compass has first/second year FOs flying with 3-4 year CAs while RAH has 7 year FOs flying with 12 year CAs. Even if you give RAH more new flying, you will still have a higher longevity than Compass as the FOs that will upgrade will immediately jump to the 7 year CA payscale. Its the reason BB is dragging his feet on a new contract as he can't figure out how to give the pilots a raise without still being more expensive than Compass.

Too high of an average longevity at a regional will always make it too expensive compared to a regional with a large number of first year pilots. Its the reason you shouldn't make a career out of a regional because once too many pilots do, the whipsaw starts again.