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Old 05-10-2019, 04:24 PM   #41  
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The company signs the paycheck.

Your union tells them the amount.

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Old 05-30-2019, 06:00 PM   #42  
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The GOP has been pushing for this a long time.
Workers have been pushing for this a long time.

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I love the guys that say you will get less if you are not in a union. I was flying for a union carrier, granted rotary wing but still valid as it is aviation. The contract changed and the new shop was not union. I was able to bargain for myself, instead of collectively. I was able to negotiate a 20% raise over the union shops pay. I was also able to negotiate an extra week of vacation over the union shops collective bargaining. Union provided insurance with a premium, the non-union employer paid for the entire premium and refunded any deductible. I think collective bargaining is good for those that have neither the inclination nor ability to effectively bargain for themselves. I chose not to be a member of the union when with the union shop because I personally don't believe in unions. I know that my situation is anecdotal, but those that make the blanket statement that you are worth less to an employer if non-union are not correct as a blanket statement. There are some benefits, such as job protection, that unions provide, that is also undisputable. It isn't for everyone but don't make the statement that you will make less, because in at least one circumstance that was clearly not true.
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The problem here is that the federal government, and the party in power doesn't matter....the feds want POWER over civil aviation. The Railway labor act demands POWER and control over civil aviation. The only way the government actually gets to exert this power is through the RLA.

The company would LOVE not to have to deal with unions, but on the other hand the company LOVEs and I mean loves the hecks out of the control they get to exert over the buerocracy. The company knows the rules, the contract, and how to run the act (the RLA). management exerts control over labor through one (a single) labor agreement.

In the airlines, in the USA, The RLA will be enforced. Therefore, managements will want to deal with a union and they will be happy to do it. It's easier to negotiate and enforce one contract versus 14,000 separate ones.
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No circles here bud. Again to repeat myself, I work for an airline, NOT a union. I DON’T apply to a union for a job, I apply to airline. Hence why I should not have dues (fees) taken out if I don’t agree with their leadership. You guys chose to unionize and ‘negotiate’ a contract, tough sh*t I get to work under it because I have no choice, but I shouldn’t be mandated to pay anything by law. It’s very simple, deal with the consequences of backing your ‘brotherhood’.
Oh the irony. The airline that you want to work for has the attractive pilot contract negotiated by the union over a number of years. With out that pesky union the contract wouldn't be attractive enough to get your attention.

You would fit in really well at some of the third and fourth tie operators.

Ignorance is bliss, and it's all about you.
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I work at a Teamsters shop. The International supports political causes and candidates with which I disagree. Enforced membership is a violation of my First Amendment rights. On the other hand, I very much benefit from the contract under which I work.

Search "Communication Workers v Beck."

I do not pay anything to IBT, as is my Constitutionally protected right. I gladly and gratefully send my check to the Local every month, less the 10-ish% that would go to Hoffa in violation of the Constitution, and enjoy all the benefits of collective bargaining I happily pay for.

As for "Right to Work," three words: Are, Ell, Ay.
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Curious.

My ALPA scheduling committee just got me several thousand dollars for a scheduling contract violation. I’ll I had to do was email them.

How do you explain this?

I explain it as dues well spent and an impressive ROI. I guess you’d call it “corruption.”

In my experience the guys who don’t want to pay union dues turn out to be extraordinary mission hackers.
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I love the guys that say you will get less if you are not in a union. I was flying for a union carrier, granted rotary wing but still valid as it is aviation. The contract changed and the new shop was not union. I was able to bargain for myself, instead of collectively. I was able to negotiate a 20% raise over the union shops pay. I was also able to negotiate an extra week of vacation over the union shops collective bargaining. Union provided insurance with a premium, the non-union employer paid for the entire premium and refunded any deductible. I think collective bargaining is good for those that have neither the inclination nor ability to effectively bargain for themselves. I chose not to be a member of the union when with the union shop because I personally don't believe in unions. I know that my situation is anecdotal, but those that make the blanket statement that you are worth less to an employer if non-union are not correct as a blanket statement. There are some benefits, such as job protection, that unions provide, that is also undisputable. It isn't for everyone but don't make the statement that you will make less, because in at least one circumstance that was clearly not true.
Job protection my *ss. They only protect the screwups who desperately need them and couldn’t negotiate to save their life.
Carrying mechanicals? Intentionally grounding airplanes? 5 ASAPs/tour? No problem. The “brotherhood” has you covered!

Unions preach safety while reaching into your pockets and protecting the very people who make your job harder and less safe!
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Job protection my *ss. They only protect the screwups who desperately need them and couldn’t negotiate to save their life.
Carrying mechanicals? Intentionally grounding airplanes? 5 ASAPs/tour? No problem. The “brotherhood” has you covered!

Unions preach safety while reaching into your pockets and protecting the very people who make your job harder and less safe!
HAHAHAHAHA

Once a loser, always a loser.

****ed up one too many times, did ya?

HAHAHAHAHA
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HAHAHAHAHA

Once a loser, always a loser.

****ed up one too many times, did ya?

HAHAHAHAHA
You think I lost a job? You read it wrong, genius.
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