TWA Pilots vs. ALPA in DFR suit
07-14-2011, 04:20 AM
#101
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Originally Posted by EXTW
If you read up on this lawsuit, you will find that it's merits have nothing to do with the SLI, of which there was none.
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Could you give me the "Cliff Notes" version of the lawsuit?
My understanding was the TWA pilots sued ALPA because they felt ALPA did not comply with ALPA's duty to fairly represent the TWA pilots during the merger with AMR. The lack of fair representation resulted in a one-sided SLI (favoring the American pilots).
The damage portion of the trial will determine what the collective financial damages the TWA pilot group suffered because of ALPA's willful misconduct.
Please correct my misunderstanding(s).
07-14-2011, 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Wasatch Phantom
EXTW,
Could you give me the "Cliff Notes" version of the lawsuit?
My understanding was the TWA pilots sued ALPA because they felt ALPA did not comply with ALPA's duty to fairly represent the TWA pilots during the merger with AMR. The lack of fair representation resulted in a one-sided SLI (favoring the American pilots).
The damage portion of the trial will determine what the collective financial damages the TWA pilot group suffered because of ALPA's willful misconduct.
Please correct my misunderstanding(s).
Could you give me the "Cliff Notes" version of the lawsuit?
My understanding was the TWA pilots sued ALPA because they felt ALPA did not comply with ALPA's duty to fairly represent the TWA pilots during the merger with AMR. The lack of fair representation resulted in a one-sided SLI (favoring the American pilots).
The damage portion of the trial will determine what the collective financial damages the TWA pilot group suffered because of ALPA's willful misconduct.
Please correct my misunderstanding(s).
The conclusion is on page 70.
07-14-2011, 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Superdad
ALPA can levy all the assessments they want, I will not pay one dime to cover this.
So, if I am at another ALPA carrier now, can I just write myself a check?
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07-14-2011, 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Wasatch Phantom
EXTW,
Could you give me the "Cliff Notes" version of the lawsuit?
My understanding was the TWA pilots sued ALPA because they felt ALPA did not comply with ALPA's duty to fairly represent the TWA pilots during the merger with AMR. The lack of fair representation resulted in a one-sided SLI (favoring the American pilots).
The damage portion of the trial will determine what the collective financial damages the TWA pilot group suffered because of ALPA's willful misconduct.
Please correct my misunderstanding(s).
Could you give me the "Cliff Notes" version of the lawsuit?
My understanding was the TWA pilots sued ALPA because they felt ALPA did not comply with ALPA's duty to fairly represent the TWA pilots during the merger with AMR. The lack of fair representation resulted in a one-sided SLI (favoring the American pilots).
The damage portion of the trial will determine what the collective financial damages the TWA pilot group suffered because of ALPA's willful misconduct.
Please correct my misunderstanding(s).
Wasatch,
You have the basics, but there was much more involved. Try to get a copy of the Lee Seeham report referred to above. It is an eye opener.
EXTW
07-14-2011, 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by EXTW
Wasatch,
You have the basics, but there was much more involved. Try to get a copy of the Lee Seeham report referred to above. It is an eye opener.
EXTW
You have the basics, but there was much more involved. Try to get a copy of the Lee Seeham report referred to above. It is an eye opener.
EXTW
07-14-2011, 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
Try this for the complaint. http://www.twapilots.com/complaint.htm
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07-14-2011, 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by cactiboss
Maybe this will keep them from screwing the airtran guys like they did twa/awa.
They are very vulnerable to Herndon cutting a deal with SWAPA.
Exact same motivation exists that drove Woerth in the TWA case -- the hope that someday the larger group might join ALPA.
07-14-2011, 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
The AirTran guys need to watch ALPA like a hawk.
They are very vulnerable to Herndon cutting a deal with SWAPA.
Exact same motivation exists that drove Woerth in the TWA case -- the hope that someday the larger group might join ALPA.
They are very vulnerable to Herndon cutting a deal with SWAPA.
Exact same motivation exists that drove Woerth in the TWA case -- the hope that someday the larger group might join ALPA.
07-14-2011, 08:19 AM
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As a long time ALPA volunteer and committee chairman at my previous airline, I can say without a doubt that ALPA National is incredibly frakked up. I'm glad that the TWA pilots have been able to get a verdict in their favor. Hopefully any damages awarded will hold up on appeal and major, sweeping changes are made in Herndon.
I served the pilot group at my former airline proudly at the local MEC level for many years, but anytime I had to do something with National and saw how the political game was played in Herndon, especially at the last BOD in FLL last year, I was ashamed and embarassed to be a part of that umbrella "Association". Unfortunately for the entire profession, the politics in Herndon does every pilot across the US and Canada represented by ALPA a major disservice.
I served the pilot group at my former airline proudly at the local MEC level for many years, but anytime I had to do something with National and saw how the political game was played in Herndon, especially at the last BOD in FLL last year, I was ashamed and embarassed to be a part of that umbrella "Association". Unfortunately for the entire profession, the politics in Herndon does every pilot across the US and Canada represented by ALPA a major disservice.
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