Poor treatment and intimidation that the union uses? Huh? Would you mind providing examples of pilot unions using intimidation "to keep people in line"?

If you're talking about union members' views, and not union leadership, you may have a point. Don't mistake how non-members are viewed by their peers vs. nonexistent social engineering programs by union management. Pilots view non-members as weak sisters that rely on someone else to do the heavy lifting, yet are happy to enjoy the benefits earned by union members efforts.


I would, screw those guys. Many union members disagree with tactics, process, and direction with the organization but still show up in the union hall to have their voices heard and be part of the process to change the direction. Non-members claim to conscientious objectors to make themselves feel better, but the reality is they're leeches.

My union began and grew as an Open Shop in a right to work state.

Any other questions?


You only have one bargaining agent -- you can't bargain your own work rules with your employer because you think you deserve it and they're a gracious employer. You can stand on the sidelines and watch, or you can pitch in and help.






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I don't disagree with you - I'm just saying I have a personal policy to keep it professional always. Interpersonal conflict in the cockpit is dangerous. I've learned that the hard way.

It would be unwise to decline....

If it's an issue for you apply to Virgin Atlantic or jet blue... No union.

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But they don't pay as well ! <sarcasm font on>

I withdrew membership from an IBT local and became a fee paying objecting non member of my bargaining unit a little over a year ago. With the security clause in the CBA that is the only choice short of quitting.

I got a big "SHUN THE NONBELIEVER" welcome from the admin offices, somewhat less of one on the line and maybe even a little bit here in the "Persona non grata" thread I started, all of which actually reaffirmed my decision to withdraw.

I had to push the issue with admin regarding my ability to access that which was required to be provided to fee paying objectors. I ended up getting a letter from the legal department advising me that I had limited access to limited sections of the website. Legal box checked; four legs good, two legs bad.

In theory, I should only be paying the direct cost of contract administration, which is slightly (very slightly) less than dues. I was assured last June that a rebate check for the difference paid in 2012 would be sent when they got around to it. Still waiting with a sarcastic look in my eyes for the $20-ish to arrive. Shun the nonbeliever.

Communication and action regarding contract administration is like a remote control car with low batteries. You can never be sure if the bad batteries are in the controller, the car or both. When you push the button you sometimes get sluggish movement for as long as the button is held down. Movement stops as soon as I let go the button and I never really get anywhere.

This has been my experience as a heretic. YMMV

You're better off paying. It's almost the same money and there are plenty of people with nothing better to do than look this up and harass you.

Why did you become a fee paying objecting non member of the bargaining unit? Thanks

Initially, just Hoffa.