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So Unions can donate politically, Rodger that. Yes the FAR's are a direct result of unions. Airplanes crashing and killing people had nothing to do with it, and lord knows only unions care about safety. I said "employers want good hard working employees and will pay them fairly so as to keep them in the fold." You said I was living in a fantasy world and those employers were few and far between. As for Detroit, good move not delving into that discussion... I just don't understand how a completely unionized industry went so terribly wrong? As far as calling someone a Slug to their face. C'mon man, do you tell everyone who is lazy to their face, such(union or not)? I guess I should be a man go into work and tell a superior I think he's lazy and a worthless pile of steaming cow dung. You got me I'm a coward because I don't have the balls to tell a captain I think he's lazy. (Even thou he really was). And still don't what a PM is, I guess I'm an idiot.
Lastly I apologize for hijacking this thread temporarily. I have opted out of a union before, and yes caught a minor amount of grief for it. I don't like unions and could care less about how I was treated (which wasn't really bad). Let other sheep pay for union bosses to take luxury vacations.

In the case of Detroit there is a world of difference between a public employee union and corporate employee union. Elected leaders don't have to worry about profit just reelection.

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Originally Posted by Hetman (Post 1578810)

I got my first rebate check today, for the year ending Dec 31, 2012. Reimbursement for expenses "non-germaine" to administration of the CBA came to about 10%.

Monetarily what did your 10% amount to? Thx

Oh, it is a pittance, less than a pittance, even... about $12/month. From a practical standpoint it is negligible, less than negligible, even.

In principle, however, it is of great personal value to me. In addition, the reaction of some of the devout True Believers to my Non Believer status can at times be a source of entertainment.

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Originally Posted by CheapTrick (Post 1550668)

At DAL I doubt anyone would notice or care. You certainly wouldn't feel any blowback on the line. As long as your paying your share, why would it matter that you choose to not vote? The majority don't vote in elections. Union meetings with 30 pilots would be considered well attended. And even contract votes see large percentages just not bothering. Go ahead and opt-out if it makes you feel better. If you don't tell anyone, no one will know.

For most of my time at DAL the LEC's posted a list of nonmembers. From the late eighties to the mid nineties about 10% of the pilot group were nonmembers. Delta was an open shop until the Pan Am acquisition when Alpa negotiated a small pay raise and agency shop to allow the integration of the acquired pilots. Since then the number of nonmembers has shrunk to very few.

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Originally Posted by Hetman (Post 1586471)

In principle, however, it is of great personal value to me. In addition, the reaction of some of the devout True Believers to my Non Believer status can at times be a source of entertainment.

That part would possibly be worth it...

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Originally Posted by PotatoChip (Post 1610298)

That part would possibly be worth it...

That response is sarcasm, correct?

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Originally Posted by Hetman (Post 1586471)

The late atheist, libertarian, pro-military scifi writer Robert Heinlein had a great quote regarding pacifists. Substitute "non-member" wherever you see the work "pacifist" and you will see what I think of them/you.

"A pacifist (non-member) is a shifty fellow who partakes of the benefits of society (collective bargaining agreement and associated representation) without being willing to pay...and claims a halo for his dishonesty."

Spoken like a true zealot. Four legs good, two legs bad.

I actually do pay my share of the cost of my CBA and associated representation. Willingly, in good conscience and in accordance with the provisions of that CBA.

I also defend that CBA vigorously, again in accordance with the provisions contained therein.

I am a big Heinlein fan and quote him often in everyday conversation. Your quote does not fit this mold. Perhaps if you were to read this entire thread and/or research the case law regarding fee paying objectors the misfit will become apparent. Failing that, if you were to search his quotes regarding religious zealotry and substitute "union" where appropriate you could possibly glimpse my true reasons.