Just wondering about scabs . . .
#111
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TO: Comair Pilots
FROM: J.C. Lawson, Comair MEC Chairman
DATEecember 16, 2002
Your MEC met in CVG with the Delta MEC Chairman, Captain Will Buergey, at his request, to discuss preferential hiring of furloughed Delta pilots at Comair. Through this letter, I hope to dispel rumors and provide a more thorough understanding of the purpose and outcome of that meeting.
The Delta MEC, while in session at the bi-annual October Board of Directors meeting in Hollywood, Florida, formally directed the Delta MEC Chairman via resolution to meet with the Comair MEC Chairman to seek preferential hiring for furloughed Delta pilots at Comair while allowing them to retain their Delta seniority.
The general philosophy held by the Comair MEC is:
We are sensitive to the regrettable plight of all furloughed pilots in our industry.
We encourage our management to hire pilots who seek a future at Comair.
We have formally approached Comair management and our management has agreed to preferential hiring of furloughed ALPA pilots.
We agree with our company's policy that requires prospective Comair pilots to resign their seniority at their previous carrier.
We believe our Company's industry-standard policy requiring seniority resignation is sound and wise. It promotes the general health and welfare of all Comair employees and serves to protect the future of our company.
At our meeting in CVG, Captain Buergey offered preferential hiring to Comair pilots if the Comair MEC would recommend to Comair management that they hire furloughed Delta pilots and allow them to retain their Delta seniority.
Your MEC responded that hiring any pilots at Comair who do not resign their seniority at their previous carrier gives rise to numerous substantive concerns. The Delta MEC's offer of (future) preferential hiring at Delta is not sufficiently substantive to overcome those concerns and solicit Comair pilots' support. We suggested three alternative concepts, any one or all of which might lead to a mutually beneficial solution:
Relax the Delta PWA, Section 1, seat restrictions imposed upon Comair and ASA that limit our growth in 70-seat and larger airframes.
Negotiate Delta Brand Scope language with Delta management that defines all Delta flying within the Delta revenue stream to be performed solely by Delta, Comair, and ASA pilots.
Negotiate a plan for future integration of our Delta, Comair, and ASA pilots seniority lists that fairly recognizes the efforts and contributions of all.
......
COMAIR MEC
FROM: J.C. Lawson, Comair MEC Chairman
DATEecember 16, 2002
Your MEC met in CVG with the Delta MEC Chairman, Captain Will Buergey, at his request, to discuss preferential hiring of furloughed Delta pilots at Comair. Through this letter, I hope to dispel rumors and provide a more thorough understanding of the purpose and outcome of that meeting.
The Delta MEC, while in session at the bi-annual October Board of Directors meeting in Hollywood, Florida, formally directed the Delta MEC Chairman via resolution to meet with the Comair MEC Chairman to seek preferential hiring for furloughed Delta pilots at Comair while allowing them to retain their Delta seniority.
The general philosophy held by the Comair MEC is:
We are sensitive to the regrettable plight of all furloughed pilots in our industry.
We encourage our management to hire pilots who seek a future at Comair.
We have formally approached Comair management and our management has agreed to preferential hiring of furloughed ALPA pilots.
We agree with our company's policy that requires prospective Comair pilots to resign their seniority at their previous carrier.
We believe our Company's industry-standard policy requiring seniority resignation is sound and wise. It promotes the general health and welfare of all Comair employees and serves to protect the future of our company.
At our meeting in CVG, Captain Buergey offered preferential hiring to Comair pilots if the Comair MEC would recommend to Comair management that they hire furloughed Delta pilots and allow them to retain their Delta seniority.
Your MEC responded that hiring any pilots at Comair who do not resign their seniority at their previous carrier gives rise to numerous substantive concerns. The Delta MEC's offer of (future) preferential hiring at Delta is not sufficiently substantive to overcome those concerns and solicit Comair pilots' support. We suggested three alternative concepts, any one or all of which might lead to a mutually beneficial solution:
Relax the Delta PWA, Section 1, seat restrictions imposed upon Comair and ASA that limit our growth in 70-seat and larger airframes.
Negotiate Delta Brand Scope language with Delta management that defines all Delta flying within the Delta revenue stream to be performed solely by Delta, Comair, and ASA pilots.
Negotiate a plan for future integration of our Delta, Comair, and ASA pilots seniority lists that fairly recognizes the efforts and contributions of all.
......
COMAIR MEC
#112
Yeah, there is, but I'm not getting into that on here. There comes a point where trying to have a discussion about something like this is pointless in an online forum, especially on something as touchy as this.
#113
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#115
It might surprise you to know that the greatest financial help came from American's pilots, NOT Delta's. I don't even think DAL was second on the list--if memory serves, that was IPA (UPS).
As for the furloughed Delta pilot getting hired at Comair, there is so much mis-information about that floating around that has become "fact" that I'm not going to even try to address it.
As for the furloughed Delta pilot getting hired at Comair, there is so much mis-information about that floating around that has become "fact" that I'm not going to even try to address it.
You are welcome.
#116
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Sick daughter with leukemia? I think nyet.
#118
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At the time, Delta's RJ connection carriers at Comair and ASA had hired hundreds of RJ guys to fly the routes the mainline used to fly, while mainline was furloughing. All we asked was that furloughed mainline guys be given a job as a BOTTOM of the seniority list RJ right-seater while on furlough. This was a far cry from a "flow down" such as at AA/American Eagle where furloughed mainline guys got to flow down to an RJ left seat.
Mr. Lawson wouldn't even consider that until we got rid of what pathetic little scope that we had. Etc. Funny, ASA had no problem with that at all.
So let me get this straight. Comair's MEC wouldn't tolerate DAL furloughees coming to Comair as an F/O unless they resigned their mainline seniority number? You can guess how many guys did that--zero.
This from the same Comair MEC that petitioned ALPA national to get on our mainline seniority list via any method possible (other than actually interviewing for the job!) then sued us!
Let's just say that there wasn't one tear shed when Comair was shut down, and not one whit of sympathy for Mr. Lawson and his fellow Comair lifers.
Sorry for the thread hijack. I won't bring up the Comair issue again, as it is increasingly long ago. However, the lesson is, don't spit on others in this industry and most certainly don't publicly burn down bridges all because you started believing your own exalted press releases.
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I am raising the very point you are ignoring, unless you are hereby changing the definition of a scab, which as I understand it doesn't require any union membership- only the action of crossing another union's line to take their jobs. That is exactly what happened. I watched it personally.
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