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DALFA 02-05-2017 09:17 AM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 2295227)
Almost 60 posts and he still has not answered that one.

He's probably a troll.

What's sad is that the GOP used to be the party of Lincoln, the party that valued labor. Yet, in the past 2-3 decades the GOP has tried to exterminate unions from the face of the earth. In part because unions too often get involved in politics when they shouldn't but mostly because their corporate donors such as the Koch brothers demand that of them.

When will the erosion stop?

XHooker 02-05-2017 09:42 AM


Originally Posted by NMuir (Post 2295101)
And their wrong... unless you can cite where in the Constitution the federal government is given jurisprudence over labor? :confused:

Gotcha. You're one of those free thinkers who's smarter than the Supreme Court and all of us Luddites who mistakenly think using a collective bargaining agent (only a fraction of what ALPA does for us) is improving our QOL. I'm sure you and your brethren who have figured out unions are just a scam will turn commercial pilot from a profession where a mid level captain can be in the top one percent of income earners with over half the month off, into a job where the cap is being in the top ten percent of earners working 20 days a month with little standing between you and unemployment beyond the good will of your employer. If the independent contractor is the future of our profession, I'm glad I'll be retired watching with nothing more than detached interest when you take over.

NMuir 02-05-2017 10:06 AM


Originally Posted by Packrat (Post 2295105)
You don't have to join. You do have to pay a contract maintenance fee though. It's slightly less than dues.

That is still theft.


Originally Posted by Packrat (Post 2295105)
But, why should you profit from the pay rates and work rules earned by the Union without contributing?

The company should be under no obligation to give union benefits to non-union employees. If you want to join the union and possibly get more protection, better pay, etc, then you should be able to. If you don't, then you shouldn't be able to receive the benefits. It's really just that simple.

NMuir 02-05-2017 10:08 AM


Originally Posted by DALFA (Post 2295177)
Majority rules, that's how we determine just about everything in our society.

Uh, actually no. And be very very thankful that isn't how things work. In a society like that, your rights are subject to the whims of the majority, which in effect means you have no rights.

NMuir 02-05-2017 10:08 AM


Originally Posted by XHooker (Post 2295409)
Gotcha. You're one of those free thinkers who's smarter than the Supreme Court

It doesn't take a JD to actually be able to read and understand the Constitution.

XHooker 02-05-2017 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by NMuir (Post 2295425)
Uh, actually no. And be very very thankful that isn't how things work. In a society like that, your rights are subject to the whims of the majority, which in effect means you have no rights.

Um, actually, that's exactly how a workforce determines whether it will or won't unionize.

XHooker 02-05-2017 11:02 AM


Originally Posted by NMuir (Post 2295427)
It doesn't take a JD to actually be able to read and understand the Constitution.

And to think, The Supremes got all those degrees from those high fallutin' universities, passed bar exams, spent years clerking and as federal jurists, getting approved by Congress twice, when all they really needed to do is read the gol durn Constitution. Who knew it was so simple? Thanks for setting us all straight.

NMuir 02-05-2017 12:31 PM


Originally Posted by XHooker (Post 2295450)
And to think, The Supremes got all those degrees from those high fallutin' universities, passed bar exams, spent years clerking and as federal jurists, getting approved by Congress twice, when all they really needed to do is read the gol durn Constitution. Who knew it was so simple? Thanks for setting us all straight.

Yep, and due to the case law method and stare decisis they get it wrong most of the time.

Packrat 02-05-2017 01:08 PM


Originally Posted by NMuir (Post 2295422)
The company should be under no obligation to give union benefits to non-union employees. If you want to join the union and possibly get more protection, better pay, etc, then you should be able to. If you don't, then you shouldn't be able to receive the benefits. It's really just that simple.

Or you could just not apply to airlines with Unions. That way you can enjoy their crappy pay and non-existent work rules. Never. Mind the fact that over the span of your "career" you'll make far more than your fair share of Union dues.

You should visit 36th St. in MIA. You'd fit right in.

iceman49 02-06-2017 11:51 AM


Originally Posted by NMuir (Post 2295422)
That is still theft.

Theft is also benefiting from what has been negotiated for you, without any contribution on your part.

Have you made it to 500 hrs yet?


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