The "rumors"....
08-08-2022, 01:58 PM
#41
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Let's be honest, the union delivered a giant turd in this TA and the blowback from the pilots has been severe. I suspect that it caught the Toddlers completely off guard. You're just here for damage control and PR. This is exactly what happened after the Covid TA. You jump me for not offering solutions, well I am not an elected Union guy and I never wished to be. I'm just a line slob who spent the bulk of my UA career near the bottom of the list. What solutions have you offered, did I miss them? It appears to me that you're just here to point out how ignorant the rest of us are. Guess what FNG's.....This is exactly what happened during the rollout of the Covid TA. The MECs Damage Control Unit went into high gear and they quickly mobilized. They put guys on here (and the other forum) to harangue anyone who disliked the agreement. And when they couldn't silence them, they had them kicked off the forum! It's also happening on the new forum where one guy responds to EVERY (negative TA) POST with ridicule and derision. Does he offer solutions? No, he just demeans the guy who just posted something negative. Criticism will not be tolerated.Folks, THIS IS YOUR UNION today. Dissent from the line pukes will not be tolerated. They're more interested in getting along with SK and getting Todd elected than taking care of the rank and file. They think a few band-aids and a few bucks ought to placate you and please SK. This woefully inadequate TA is proof of that. If anyone is damaging the career, it is the guys who came up with this TA.
The union told me for years that we'd "get it back". And I'm such a sucker that I believed them! Your assertion that I am just a bomb tosser is accurate. Every forum needs a few in my view. After all, it's MY opinion. But suggesting that I intend to harm the company or my profession is laughable and a huge pile of crap. I LOVED being a UA pilot! UA was my No 1 choice. But I expected my union to fight for and to improve our contract! Especially after the rectal-ream, we took during Bankruptcy and the loss of the pensions. I for one am SICK of seeing things from the company's point of view. Did you read my post about almost a decade of sub 90K W2's? Yeah, silly me, I wanted my union to wrestle every last dime they could out of UA. What a sap.
Loved the line about my views being a "career right-seaters take". One of the moderators here contacted me recently to let me know I was being "doxxed" so I guess you did your homework. Congrats. So, should everyone on this forum just assume that any opinions by FOs in your view are invalid? You just impugned half the guys at the airline. Got it. My previous employment allowed me to rack up ten years as 121 PIC, thank you. But FAR more importantly, the pin on my tie, my furlough, and the dues/ALPA PAC dollars I paid gives me (and every other MIGS) the right to point out my opinion of this TA. You'd just rather point out your disgust with me.
You guys have bigger problems than me. Why not work on them?
OUT.
The union told me for years that we'd "get it back". And I'm such a sucker that I believed them! Your assertion that I am just a bomb tosser is accurate. Every forum needs a few in my view. After all, it's MY opinion. But suggesting that I intend to harm the company or my profession is laughable and a huge pile of crap. I LOVED being a UA pilot! UA was my No 1 choice. But I expected my union to fight for and to improve our contract! Especially after the rectal-ream, we took during Bankruptcy and the loss of the pensions. I for one am SICK of seeing things from the company's point of view. Did you read my post about almost a decade of sub 90K W2's? Yeah, silly me, I wanted my union to wrestle every last dime they could out of UA. What a sap.
Loved the line about my views being a "career right-seaters take". One of the moderators here contacted me recently to let me know I was being "doxxed" so I guess you did your homework. Congrats. So, should everyone on this forum just assume that any opinions by FOs in your view are invalid? You just impugned half the guys at the airline. Got it. My previous employment allowed me to rack up ten years as 121 PIC, thank you. But FAR more importantly, the pin on my tie, my furlough, and the dues/ALPA PAC dollars I paid gives me (and every other MIGS) the right to point out my opinion of this TA. You'd just rather point out your disgust with me.
You guys have bigger problems than me. Why not work on them?
OUT.
08-08-2022, 02:34 PM
#42
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Originally Posted by oldmako
Let's be honest, the union delivered a giant turd in this TA and the blowback from the pilots has been severe. I suspect that it caught the Toddlers completely off guard. You're just here for damage control and PR. This is exactly what happened after the Covid TA. You jump me for not offering solutions, well I am not an elected Union guy and I never wished to be. I'm just a line slob who spent the bulk of my UA career near the bottom of the list. What solutions have you offered, did I miss them? It appears to me that you're just here to point out how ignorant the rest of us are. Guess what FNG's.....This is exactly what happened during the rollout of the Covid TA. The MECs Damage Control Unit went into high gear and they quickly mobilized. They put guys on here (and the other forum) to harangue anyone who disliked the agreement. And when they couldn't silence them, they had them kicked off the forum! It's also happening on the new forum where one guy responds to EVERY (negative TA) POST with ridicule and derision. Does he offer solutions? No, he just demeans the guy who just posted something negative. Criticism will not be tolerated.Folks, THIS IS YOUR UNION today. Dissent from the line pukes will not be tolerated. They're more interested in getting along with SK and getting Todd elected than taking care of the rank and file. They think a few band-aids and a few bucks ought to placate you and please SK. This woefully inadequate TA is proof of that. If anyone is damaging the career, it is the guys who came up with this TA.
The union told me for years that we'd "get it back". And I'm such a sucker that I believed them! Your assertion that I am just a bomb tosser is accurate. Every forum needs a few in my view. After all, it's MY opinion. But suggesting that I intend to harm the company or my profession is laughable and a huge pile of crap. I LOVED being a UA pilot! UA was my No 1 choice. But I expected my union to fight for and to improve our contract! Especially after the rectal-ream, we took during Bankruptcy and the loss of the pensions. I for one am SICK of seeing things from the company's point of view. Did you read my post about almost a decade of sub 90K W2's? Yeah, silly me, I wanted my union to wrestle every last dime they could out of UA. What a sap.
Loved the line about my views being a "career right-seaters take". One of the moderators here contacted me recently to let me know I was being "doxxed" so I guess you did your homework. Congrats. So, should everyone on this forum just assume that any opinions by FOs in your view are invalid? You just impugned half the guys at the airline. Got it. My previous employment allowed me to rack up ten years as 121 PIC, thank you. But FAR more importantly, the pin on my tie, my furlough, and the dues/ALPA PAC dollars I paid gives me (and every other MIGS) the right to point out my opinion of this TA. You'd just rather point out your disgust with me.
You guys have bigger problems than me. Why not work on them?
OUT.
The union told me for years that we'd "get it back". And I'm such a sucker that I believed them! Your assertion that I am just a bomb tosser is accurate. Every forum needs a few in my view. After all, it's MY opinion. But suggesting that I intend to harm the company or my profession is laughable and a huge pile of crap. I LOVED being a UA pilot! UA was my No 1 choice. But I expected my union to fight for and to improve our contract! Especially after the rectal-ream, we took during Bankruptcy and the loss of the pensions. I for one am SICK of seeing things from the company's point of view. Did you read my post about almost a decade of sub 90K W2's? Yeah, silly me, I wanted my union to wrestle every last dime they could out of UA. What a sap.
Loved the line about my views being a "career right-seaters take". One of the moderators here contacted me recently to let me know I was being "doxxed" so I guess you did your homework. Congrats. So, should everyone on this forum just assume that any opinions by FOs in your view are invalid? You just impugned half the guys at the airline. Got it. My previous employment allowed me to rack up ten years as 121 PIC, thank you. But FAR more importantly, the pin on my tie, my furlough, and the dues/ALPA PAC dollars I paid gives me (and every other MIGS) the right to point out my opinion of this TA. You'd just rather point out your disgust with me.
You guys have bigger problems than me. Why not work on them?
OUT.
I have started threads with the intent to find the parts of the TA that were actual improvements, and hone in on the most insidious parts of our negotiating committee’s PR spin on the bad stuff. I learned a lot from people on here, who are more imaginative than me and we able to construct scenarios where new provisions would probably be abused by the company.
As far as being doxxed, that sucks and I hope it’s not true. That said, anyone who has been on this forum for any length of time, has read your previous posts and you openly state the positions you’ve held. Give me your hobbies, and unique riding style, I cannot imagine it would be very hard for people who flow with you to identify your profile. On public internet forums, you can either go fully open and disclose who you are, or keep it anonymous. The gray area sort of has the worst of both worlds.
Whatever it’s worth, I think you are most likely an incredibly interesting person and obviously very smart, but the persona that exists in “old mako” is the definition of a pundit. Better to be clever and well liked, than nuanced or correct. It’s not that you “tell it like it is,” you “tell it how people like to hear it.” Anyone who doesn’t see this as a problem, clearly hasn’t found the correlation between cable news, social media and our bizarre ability in this country to magically fall into two rigid camps that are somehow able to connect green technology with abortion rights.
08-09-2022, 02:53 PM
#43
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Originally Posted by Chowdah
He’s a pundit, plain and simple. He isn’t interested in things improving, our success is no longer his. He wants to be clever and had a shtick that works for people my age (I’m just saying it like it is), but put him in charge and I doubt he’d be able to achieve anything more than the next guy.
And if you or anyone else isn’t imaginative enough to understand that there is a correlation between our overall compensation and the length of time before we are legally undercut by cabotage or an initio, etc, then I suggest you try and map the UAW’s plight in our arena. Some of you don’t seem to understand that our (big 3 & SWA) longevity as the highest paid airline pilots in the world is not a guarantee. If you understand that there is an upper limit, above which paints a target in our back, then we are simply disagreeing about the threshold, not the concept.
There are plenty of people left that care more about causing pain to management, than strengthening our profession. They’ll tell you that they aren’t mutually exclusive, but at some point they do diverge and guys like Mako make that very obvious
And if you or anyone else isn’t imaginative enough to understand that there is a correlation between our overall compensation and the length of time before we are legally undercut by cabotage or an initio, etc, then I suggest you try and map the UAW’s plight in our arena. Some of you don’t seem to understand that our (big 3 & SWA) longevity as the highest paid airline pilots in the world is not a guarantee. If you understand that there is an upper limit, above which paints a target in our back, then we are simply disagreeing about the threshold, not the concept.
There are plenty of people left that care more about causing pain to management, than strengthening our profession. They’ll tell you that they aren’t mutually exclusive, but at some point they do diverge and guys like Mako make that very obvious
Comparing us to the UAW is not valid. Their ability to strike places enormous pressure on the automakers. The airlines have the ultimate trump card called the RLA. They know the likelihood of both parties being released is slim to none. Do you really think airlines are going to sign a contract they can’t afford? No one is holding a gun to their head. In fact, we are funding our future contract every day we operate past the amendable date.
It comes down to this. During the Pandemic LOA I witnessed with some success, the silencing of the opposition. From something as simple as continual public rebuttal to their arguments from the usual suspects, to having them barred from certain forums, to threatening their career. I fully expect these tactics to arise again. Mako for a very long time has had a strong following on this forum. Pilots listen to his viewpoints. He can sway momentum and is a threat to those who want us to accept less. You label him as a pundit and insinuate that he’s harming our position. If you can’t argue the facts you try to silence the opposing thought.
Obtw, thinking cabotage is a reason for accepting a contract of lower value is ludicrous. Are American and Delta still our peers or are we now tying our contracts to Ethiopian, Aerolineas Argentinas, and Air China?
Keep selling the fear. Maybe you’ll pick some low hanging fruit for your 50+1 agreement. I for one am more than willing to wait a couple years, install union leaders who oppose interest based bargaining, want a non concessionary contract to benefit all, and are determined not to leave one extra dollar on the negotiating table.
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