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horrido27 10-17-2022 01:06 PM

Like it or not, the bar has now been set by Alaskan.

12th yr 73/Guppy Capt- $306 (TODAY)
5:15 ADG
Sick leave accrual still higher than us (5:30 per month)
Vacation credit higher (3:45)
Known Holidays... with pay
Schedules out by the 12th!

But here is the real kicker-
Reserve first day moved to 1400! Yes, with a new reserve PBS implementation it can go back to 1100-1300.. but WOW.

Like I said, the bar is now set. Someone had to be first and they were it.
Now lets see what our NC and the company feel we are worth.

Always
Motch

Thunder Rooster 10-17-2022 01:08 PM


Originally Posted by horrido27 (Post 3514265)
Like it or not, the bar has now been set by Alaskan.

12th yr 73/Guppy Capt- $306 (TODAY)
5:15 ADG
Sick leave accrual still higher than us (5:30 per month)
Vacation credit higher (3:45)
Known Holidays... with pay
Schedules out by the 12th!

But here is the real kicker-
Reserve first day moved to 1400! Yes, with a new reserve PBS implementation it can go back to 1100-1300.. but WOW.

Like I said, the bar is now set. Someone had to be first and they were it.
Now lets see what our NC and the company feel we are worth.

Always
Motch


That **** is horrible.


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horrido27 10-17-2022 01:46 PM


Originally Posted by Thunder Rooster (Post 3514267)
That **** is horrible.


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To you and me.. maybe. But it's obvious that for THEIR Pilot Group, they found it acceptable.
Again, not saying I agree with it or not. But the bar is now moved from their end and that, along with whatever happened between the DALALPA & Management offers last week make our company's initial offer a REAL JOKE.. not just a one off.

Again, just looking at Average Pay per Day.. they are now equal to American and Delta. We lack..

Motch

RaginCajun 10-17-2022 03:23 PM


Originally Posted by horrido27 (Post 3514303)
To you and me.. maybe. But it's obvious that for THEIR Pilot Group, they found it acceptable.
Again, not saying I agree with it or not. But the bar is now moved from their end and that, along with whatever happened between the DALALPA & Management offers last week make our company's initial offer a REAL JOKE.. not just a one off.

Again, just looking at Average Pay per Day.. they are now equal to American and Delta. We lack..

Motch


So is our MEC taking note and seriously working with management orrr….are they going to fire from the hip again with TA2 and hope for the best?

Boeing Aviator 10-17-2022 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by RaginCajun (Post 3514375)
So is our MEC taking note and seriously working with management orrr….are they going to fire from the hip again with TA2 and hope for the best?

Any TA now most likely POS (hope I’m wrong). We need all recalls at DEN, LAX, SFO and IAH to proceed. Once they do new MEC, recall MEC Officers, NC and all Insler hangers on. It will take time. Like DAL hopefully a much superior contract in 9 months or longer. It will take time.

ERAUAV8TR 10-17-2022 05:16 PM


Originally Posted by Boeing Aviator (Post 3514443)
Any TA now most likely POS (hope I’m wrong). We need all recalls at DEN, LAX, SFO and IAH to proceed. Once they do new MEC, recall MEC Officers, NC and all Insler hangers on. It will take time. Like DAL hopefully a much superior contract in 9 months or longer. It will take time.

This will all be over very soon. TA by nov 1 with pilot vote completed by mid November

RaginCajun 10-17-2022 05:17 PM


Originally Posted by Boeing Aviator (Post 3514443)
Any TA now most likely POS (hope I’m wrong). We need all recalls at DEN, LAX, SFO and IAH to proceed. Once they do new MEC, recall MEC Officers, NC and all Insler hangers on. It will take time. Like DAL hopefully a much superior contract in 9 months or longer. It will take time.

Had a friend fly with the MEC vice chair into Vegas last week. He said they were expecting a response from the company before November 1. Smoke and mirrors probably?

jerryleber 10-17-2022 05:26 PM


Originally Posted by RaginCajun (Post 3514486)
Had a friend fly with the MEC vice chair into Vegas last week. He said they were expecting a response from the company before November 1. Smoke and mirrors probably?

The company will definitely respond, but that is far from an acceptable offer or TA.

drywhitetoast 10-17-2022 05:28 PM


Originally Posted by RaginCajun (Post 3514486)
Had a friend fly with the MEC vice chair into Vegas last week. He said they were expecting a response from the company before November 1. Smoke and mirrors probably?

Mostly smoke.

queso 10-17-2022 05:50 PM

If it were me running the show on the other side of the table, I'd have everything ready to go except for rates and just wait for the Alaska TA to close and pass. Now that that's happened, just fill in a couple of small housekeeping items and send it out. Makes sense to me at least.


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