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Originally Posted by fadec
(Post 3515057)
Not happening. That kind of hardline thought will take us nowhere, which is why we need TA1 to remain in fallback position. If this thing drags out for two or three years you're going to wish you took that 9% today, but better late than never.
Cant speak for anyone but me. 25 years here and 5.5 to go. I’ll gladly ride the UPA into my sunset before I vote in favor of anything close to resembling TA1. |
Originally Posted by LeeFXDWG
(Post 3515168)
Fadec
Cant speak for anyone but me. 25 years here and 5.5 to go. I’ll gladly ride the UPA into my sunset before I vote in favor of anything close to resembling TA1. |
Originally Posted by fadec
(Post 3515057)
Not happening. That kind of hardline thought will take us nowhere, which is why we need TA1 to remain in fallback position. If this thing drags out for two or three years you're going to wish you took that 9% today, but better late than never.
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Originally Posted by LeeFXDWG
(Post 3515168)
Fadec
Cant speak for anyone but me. 25 years here and 5.5 to go. I’ll gladly ride the UPA into my sunset before I vote in favor of anything close to resembling TA1. |
Insler defeated for ALPA national. Can the Tumi TA just die already, or do we need an autopsy to tell us what we already know?
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Originally Posted by But seriously
(Post 3514568)
I really don’t see the big deal in letting the TA 1 vote close (on either side). It was likely to fail before, but it’s practically certain to fail now. Everyone knows that so it’s baked in. If the TA vote closes at 90% against on NOV 1, what’s to stop a new TA being agreed to on NOV 2, or 10, or 30?
They wanted to postpone the vote to avoid the embarrassment of a large NO vote, but that result is clearly expected now, so it really wouldn’t be big news. Consider this scenario… after all this BS on TA1, the economy still sux and stock portfolios are in the gutter and many people don’t have any cash for a down payment on a house. What if they were to let TA1 close and it passes by 50.1% I think this is a very far fetched scenario, but take into account that UAL ALPA has never voted down a TA. (This is what I’ve been told, correct me if I’m wrong) While I would be willing to take those odds and I believe it will get shot down with a +90% no vote, consider the politics here. If UAL ALPA gambles AND allows the minute chance that it will pass, what would happen if it did? ALPA would be decertified and gone IMO if it passed. Do u think ALPA notational will allow UAL ALPA to effectively go “All in” on a no vote for TA1? I don’t. In July I was confident it would get voted down. Now that we are further down the rabbit hole, I still think we are a hard no, but there’s definitely some uncertainty and doubt that could screw us up. This is probably why they didn’t let TA1 close in July. Therefore…it stands to reason with the politicians in charge, expect another extension of the vote until the end of Nov or early Dec. The vote will not close on for TA1 or TA2 on Nov 1st. |
Originally Posted by Zoomie
(Post 3516432)
If UAL ALPA gambles AND allows the minute chance that it will pass, what would happen if it did?
ALPA would be decertified and gone IMO if it passed. Do u think ALPA notational will allow UAL ALPA to effectively go “All in” on a no vote for TA1? I don’t. In July I was confident it would get voted down. Now that we are further down the rabbit hole, I still think we are a hard no, but there’s definitely some uncertainty and doubt that could screw us up. This is probably why they didn’t let TA1 close in July. Therefore…it stands to reason with the politicians in charge, expect another extension of the vote until the end of Nov or early Dec. The vote will not close on for TA1 or TA2 on Nov 1st. |
Originally Posted by Zoomie
(Post 3516432)
While I agree with your sentiment…
Consider this scenario… after all this BS on TA1, the economy still sux and stock portfolios are in the gutter and many people don’t have any cash for a down payment on a house. What if they were to let TA1 close and it passes by 50.1% I think this is a very far fetched scenario, but take into account that UAL ALPA has never voted down a TA. (This is what I’ve been told, correct me if I’m wrong) While I would be willing to take those odds and I believe it will get shot down with a +90% no vote, consider the politics here. If UAL ALPA gambles AND allows the minute chance that it will pass, what would happen if it did? ALPA would be decertified and gone IMO if it passed. Do u think ALPA notational will allow UAL ALPA to effectively go “All in” on a no vote for TA1? I don’t. In July I was confident it would get voted down. Now that we are further down the rabbit hole, I still think we are a hard no, but there’s definitely some uncertainty and doubt that could screw us up. This is probably why they didn’t let TA1 close in July. Therefore…it stands to reason with the politicians in charge, expect another extension of the vote until the end of Nov or early Dec. The vote will not close on for TA1 or TA2 on Nov 1st. |
Originally Posted by RaginCajun
(Post 3516493)
TA1 will close on 1Nov.
A) 55% pass type TA2 AIP done by Nov. 1st and TA1 doesn’t close. or B) Enough progress made on TA2 that they push TA1 date another 30 days. Deadlines spur action. Neither side wants TA1 vote results to see light of day. |
Originally Posted by EwrRocks
(Post 3516508)
IMHO, either:
A) 55% pass type TA2 AIP done by Nov. 1st and TA1 doesn’t close. or B) Enough progress made on TA2 that they push TA1 date another 30 days. Deadlines spur action. Neither side wants TA1 vote results to see light of day. |
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