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awax 10-17-2022 05:55 PM


Originally Posted by drywhitetoast (Post 3514502)
Mostly smoke.

As posted in other threads, anything offered after October 25th, leaves no time under he MEC policy (7 day MEC review) for a TA to be considered and sent to membership.

The question is: will the MEC be true to it's word and close/publish the TA1 vote results on November 1st? Or maybe the better question is: how much worse could they bungle this?

Bluewaffle 10-17-2022 06:25 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think they just need an AIP before NOV 1st to Stop the vote on POS 1

But seriously 10-17-2022 06:44 PM

I really don’t see the big deal in letting the TA 1 vote close (on either side). It was likely to fail before, but it’s practically certain to fail now. Everyone knows that so it’s baked in. If the TA vote closes at 90% against on NOV 1, what’s to stop a new TA being agreed to on NOV 2, or 10, or 30?

They wanted to postpone the vote to avoid the embarrassment of a large NO vote, but that result is clearly expected now, so it really wouldn’t be big news.

SquawkIdent 10-17-2022 08:06 PM


Originally Posted by Bluewaffle (Post 3514553)
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think they just need an AIP before NOV 1st to Stop the vote on POS 1

You make a good point. I had assumed that it would have to be a TA. But then looking back through all of the union communications regarding the voting extension, the language they use consistently says that "an agreement" has to be reached by November 1. I can see where they could claim that an AIP constitutes an agreement (though that's BS IMHO). I still don't have a lot of confidence that it will be done but that's interesting food for thought.

OneplusF 10-17-2022 09:39 PM

Need massive overhaul of reserve rules, LTD (with DC!), sick accrual, and basic things like selling back S/L. Gonna take more than a few weeks to get that done IMO. But I’m a new guy still learning the UPA

GPullR 10-18-2022 06:07 AM


Originally Posted by horrido27 (Post 3514265)
Like it or not, the bar has now been set by Alaskan.

12th yr 73/Guppy Capt- $306 (TODAY)
5:15 ADG
Sick leave accrual still higher than us (5:30 per month)
Vacation credit higher (3:45)
Known Holidays... with pay
Schedules out by the 12th!

But here is the real kicker-
Reserve first day moved to 1400! Yes, with a new reserve PBS implementation it can go back to 1100-1300.. but WOW.

Like I said, the bar is now set. Someone had to be first and they were it.
Now lets see what our NC and the company feel we are worth.

Always
Motch

you forgot the most important part, they got a snap up.

jerryleber 10-18-2022 06:22 AM


Originally Posted by GPullR (Post 3514777)
you forgot the most important part, they got a snap up.

Exactly.

“Snap up” clause: average of the following top of scale Captain rates: United (737-MAX 8/9), American (Group II), Delta (737-900), Southwest, and JetBlue (A320/321).

fadec 10-18-2022 07:34 AM

It would be most prudent to delay closing the TA1 vote until June 2023 or later, to give us more time to negotiate TA2. Let's not throw out the bird in the hand when the bag limit is 2. It may be good to have that to fall back on later.

Sniper66 10-18-2022 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by fadec (Post 3514879)
It would be most prudent to delay closing the TA1 vote until June 2023 or later, to give us more time to negotiate TA2. Let's not throw out the bird in the hand when the bag limit is 2. It may be good to have that to fall back on later.



DOS 30% with full retro for 2019 and 2022
5% every year there after till next contract with me too clause tell your boss
otherwise a fat NO

fadec 10-18-2022 09:36 AM


Originally Posted by Sniper66 (Post 3514896)
DOS 30% with full retro for 2019 and 2022
5% every year there after till next contract with me too clause tell your boss
otherwise a fat NO

Not happening. That kind of hardline thought will take us nowhere, which is why we need TA1 to remain in fallback position. If this thing drags out for two or three years you're going to wish you took that 9% today, but better late than never.


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