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F15andMD11 03-10-2017 04:09 AM


Originally Posted by TOGA Thrust (Post 2317514)
...POS - really? Ask our passengers and FA's which narrow body they would prefer to fly on or operate...

...and commuters to commute on!

Airhoss 03-10-2017 04:42 AM


Originally Posted by Yak02 (Post 2317773)
My 28 year UAL FA girlfriend just blew wine out her nose when I showed her this thread. Damnest thing I've ever seen.
She wanted to know what airline thread I was looking at. I told her UAL.

Sorry, I can't go any further with this reply we are both Laughing are a$$ off and my eyes are watering.

Wow, a 28 year UAL F/A veteran girlfriend and all. Proof!

jsled 03-10-2017 05:04 AM

March was ramped up for Spring Breaks. If you read the bid packages info and or the SSC report regularly, you will see big swings in monthly block hours. SSDD.

Sled

blockplus 03-10-2017 05:13 AM


Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 2317521)
Shack. Haven't had to so much as pull off a taxi way to trouble shoot in at least a year. Meanwhile a 787 couldn't take SFO 28R the other day (even though the ATIS specifically said pull numbers for 28L & R) because, and I quote "it's too hard to reprogram the computer." Add five more minutes for the 26 jets waiting to takeoff behind them.

Its the fleet sop to run the runway change checklist. It takes a while. 5 min if to perf wasnt requested prior, and about 2.5 if it was.
I was told once expect 28L, approaching the runway now 28R told tower I needed 5 min. They said fine. After programing told line up 28L. Told them needed 3 min to run checklist they said nevermind taxi across and hold 28R. It's required not optional to do the checklist like other fleets.

Grumble 03-10-2017 07:55 AM


Originally Posted by blockplus (Post 2317860)
Its the fleet sop to run the runway change checklist. It takes a while. 5 min if to perf wasnt requested prior, and about 2.5 if it was.
I was told once expect 28L, approaching the runway now 28R told tower I needed 5 min. They said fine. After programing told line up 28L. Told them needed 3 min to run checklist they said nevermind taxi across and hold 28R. It's required not optional to do the checklist like other fleets.

Good thing we're all single engine taxiing to cover the fuel burn to change a runway. Is it really that more complicated than any other Boeing or is this a case of lowest common denominator? It was a cringe worthy moment to listen to on tower.

Dave Fitzgerald 03-10-2017 08:09 AM


Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 2317996)
Good thing we're all single engine taxiing to cover the fuel burn to change a runway. Is it really that more complicated than any other Boeing or is this a case of lowest common denominator? It was a cringe worthy moment to listen to on tower.

Lowest common denominator. Remember Sparky's other nickname. Scabmobile....but with that thought, it could have been IOE too. Lots of training still going on.

Grumble 03-10-2017 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald (Post 2318009)
Lowest common denominator. Remember Sparky's other nickname. Scabmobile....but with that thought, it could have been IOE too. Lots of training still going on.

Good point

MasterOfPuppets 03-10-2017 10:46 AM


Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 2317996)
Good thing we're all single engine taxiing to cover the fuel burn to change a runway. Is it really that more complicated than any other Boeing or is this a case of lowest common denominator? It was a cringe worthy moment to listen to on tower.

The 787 is death by checklist.....If it has a checklist you WILL run it. That includes balancing fuel during single engine ops, and that checklist is the longest one you have ever seen 5-6 pages.

The only trick to the 787, I can't remember other fleets, is you have to turn the FDs off, reprogram everything, then get the FD back on.

As far as 320 hours being down could it be because the stage lengths are getting shorter? If it stays within 3hrs of a base all day hours drop.

Regularguy 03-10-2017 03:02 PM

First, I'm on the 787 and a runway change means one has to run an electronic checklist before going. Now I suppose we could just blast off on a runway not in the box, but good old FOQA will tattle on us.

Having done the checklist I assure all of you it adds about three minutes to the process and that assumes ACARS send the runway data for uploading. Yes we could get the data and hand enter it, but that's not the preferred method. These days every thing is uploaded.

On the 320 hours; the SSC did not have an explanation because a 1000 hours system wide drop for one month is huge. Essentially that's about 14 lines of flying or 28 less pilots. Someone check my math, you know math done in public.

C11DCA 03-11-2017 12:17 PM


Originally Posted by Regularguy (Post 2318249)
First, I'm on the 787 and a runway change means one has to run an electronic checklist before going. Now I suppose we could just blast off on a runway not in the box, but good old FOQA will tattle on us.

Having done the checklist I assure all of you it adds about three minutes to the process and that assumes ACARS send the runway data for uploading. Yes we could get the data and hand enter it, but that's not the preferred method. These days every thing is uploaded.

On the 320 hours; the SSC did not have an explanation because a 1000 hours system wide drop for one month is huge. Essentially that's about 14 lines of flying or 28 less pilots. Someone check my math, you know math done in public.

A 1000 hour swing is not huge. Spread across the fleet that is a little less then 6.5 hours per aircraft for the month. Or .21 hours a day/aircraft. February 2017 had 42,965 hours for the Airbus fleet. So 1000 hours represents roughly 2.5%. If March block hours were higher then February, then its closer to a 2% drop. (March 2016 to April 2016 hours were flat for comparison sake) Not a huge swing.

If your math is correct that is an average of 2 lines per base. On a one month snapshot.

Wishing it was the other way and hours were increasing but the sky is not falling for the Airbus.


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