[QUOTE=rp2pilot;2326402]..... Thankfully, I don't see many slick ties out there,

I sure do.

....Only a sociopath would choose to work in an environment where they are universally hated.

It sure seems to me otherwise, and history proves that, unless you're suggesting that my yellow book contains nothing but sociopaths?

Then again, there are a lot of apologists around here willing to give scabs a free pass, so they're not universally hated. Hell, guys even violate one of aviations sacred cows and they actually drink beers with them while on overnights. What's next? Locusts and pestilence?[QUOTE]

Did you just mean DAL hubs?

I think there's a couple of 'em. American and SWA in DAL.... CONTINENTAL (UAL) in HOU?

[QUOTE=oldmako;2326416][QUOTE=rp2pilot;2326402]..... Thankfully, I don't see many slick ties out there,

I sure do.

....Only a sociopath would choose to work in an environment where they are universally hated.

It sure seems to me otherwise, and history proves that, unless you're suggesting that my yellow book contains nothing but sociopaths?

Then again, there are a lot of apologists around here willing to give scabs a free pass, so they're not universally hated. Hell, guys even violate one of aviations sacred cows and they actually drink beers with them while on overnights. What's next? Locusts and pestilence?

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I would suggest exactly that. I'm not a psychologist, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express.

Was actually referring to American and SWA; certainly not trying to revive the CAL/UAL flame war that erupts from time to time.

I agree with what you said.

I wasn't very specific; I guess my fear is that the requirement to pay an agency shop fee for CBA negotiating, etc... will go away, defunding unions and hamstringing our leverage.

I think that is what they are working for. Change the law and prior precedent and case law goes away.

Then I'd recommend if you stop paying dues or agency shop fees, you take a 15-20% hit on pay because you are now covered under an individual contract and not the CBA....

change in the law doesnt change the contract. as long as a decertification effort doesnt pass the assn. is in charge of all pilots on the seniority list. read sec. 1a , 1b of the upa

the nrw act stipulates to remove paragraph eleventh.
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Eleventh. Union security agreements; check-off
Notwithstanding any other provisions of this chapter, or of any other statute or law of the United States, or Territory thereof, or of any State, any carrier or carriers as defined in this chapter and a labor organization or labor organizations duly designated and authorized to represent employees in accordance with the requirements of this chapter shall be permitted-
(a) to make agreements, requiring, as a condition of continued employment, that within sixty days following the beginning of such employment, or the effective date of such agreements, whichever is the later, all employees shall become members of the labor organization representing their craft or class: Provided, That no such agreement shall require such condition of employment with respect to employees to whom membership is not available upon the same terms and conditions as are generally applicable to any other member or with respect to employees to whom membership was denied or terminated for any reason other than the failure of the employee to tender the periodic dues, initiation fees, and assessments (not including fines and penalties) uniformly required as a condition of acquiring or retaining membership.
(b) to make agreements providing for the deduction by such carrier or carriers from the wages of its or their employees in a craft or class and payment to the labor organization representing the craft or class of such employees, of any periodic dues, initiation fees, and assessments (not including fines and penalties) uniformly required as a condition of acquiring or retaining membership: Provided, That no such agreement shall be effective with respect to any individual employee until he shall have furnished the employer with a written assignment to the labor organization of such membership dues, initiation fees, and assessments, which shall be revocable in writing after the expiration of one year or upon the termination date of the applicable collective agreement, whichever occurs sooner.
(c) The requirement of membership in a labor organization in an agreement made pursuant to subparagraph (a) of this paragraph shall be satisfied, as to both a present or future employee in engine, train, yard, or hostling service, that is, an employee engaged in any of the services or capacities covered in the First division of paragraph (h) of section 153 of this title defining the jurisdictional scope of the First Division of the National Railroad Adjustment Board, if said employee shall hold or acquire membership in any one of the labor organizations, national in scope, organized in accordance with this chapter and admitting to membership employees of a craft or class in any of said services; and no agreement made pursuant to subparagraph (b) of this paragraph shall provide for deductions from his wages for periodic dues, initiation fees, or assessments payable to any labor organization other than that in which he holds membership: Provided, however, That as to an employee in any of said services on a particular carrier at the effective date of any such agreement on a carrier, who is not a member of any one of the labor organizations, national in scope, organized in accordance with this chapter and admitting to membership employees of a craft or class in any of said services, such employee, as a condition of continuing his employment, may be required to become a member of the organization representing the craft in which he is employed on the effective date of the first agreement applicable to him: Provided, further, That nothing herein or in any such agreement or agreements shall prevent an employee from changing membership from one organization to another organization admitting to membership employees of a craft or class in any of said services.
(d) Any provisions in paragraphs Fourth and Fifth of this section in conflict herewith are to the extent of such conflict amended.

no mention of agency shop fees. just dues checkoff.

From what I've read this bill removes any contractural language in a labor contract that requires an employee to be a member of a union as a condition of employment... and removes any requirement to pay union/agency fees.

The point is that right to work is bad for represented labor. If you only care about our little sphere and not looking at the impact to all organized labor, makes me question your motives as being a part of any union.