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Terrain Inop 06-28-2017 04:19 AM


Originally Posted by fanaticalflyer (Post 2386486)
That's complete BS. Hong Kong Cost of Living Index is astronomical compared to Guam. Guam is cheap compared to the big asian cities. Food is expensive, but the rest isn't. Nice try bubba.

Settle down. I don't believe that he was inferring that GUM is as expensive as HKG, just that there is precedence for COLA for international domiciles.

Grumble 06-28-2017 06:49 AM


Originally Posted by jsled (Post 2386497)
Why do peeps gotta worry about what Guam pilots get ($3K/mo)? Bid Guam if you want the extra cash. Otherwise, just worry about your own business. How about private school tuition? Jeez. :confused:

He's like the DAL pilots who tried to destroy NWA pension in the merger. If they can't have one, no one can. FF is just s petty man child.

fasteddie800 06-28-2017 07:03 AM


Originally Posted by 89Pistons (Post 2385609)
It's not exactly an inside source and it's not exactly a secret that they want to close Guam. Hey, it's not my decision. I don't lose sleep if you don't want to believe it. I hope you're right. It makes no difference to me if you believe it or not.

Sorry for contributing to the epic thread derail, but:

In 2015 or thereabouts, Guam went from 12 737s to 11. Now, based on the below article, it looks like they're pulling another 3 frames from Guam this November.

https://www.postguam.com/news/local/...c1d9ede34.html

So, don't know about pressure for Guam to close, but it does seem like there is pressure to pull their aircraft.

intrepidcv11 06-28-2017 11:02 AM


Originally Posted by fanaticalflyer (Post 2386486)
That's complete BS. Hong Kong Cost of Living Index is astronomical compared to Guam. Guam is cheap compared to the big asian cities. Food is expensive, but the rest isn't. Nice try bubba.

Actually most things are more expensive, but nice try. Let me guess, if Guam gets a COLA you think you deserve an override for living in Bucks County or The Woodlands as well?

Probe 06-28-2017 04:11 PM

We probably ought to get toll reimbursement for driving to La Garbage if you are based in Sewer.

ReadyRsv 06-28-2017 05:07 PM


Originally Posted by Probe (Post 2386797)
We probably ought to get toll reimbursement for driving to La Garbage if you are based in Sewer.

You get well over 100 bucks.

Half wing 06-28-2017 05:08 PM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 2385400)
It's a great day to be 89 pistons! Hopefully this will brighten your day freind! :D

Sad day for the 787 though as buried in that announcement is that SYD goes to the 777 in NOV.

Sad that SYD leaves the 787 but AKL will move from the 777 to the 787 around the same time so that offsets that a bit. Even though AKL is seasonal so not an even trade. Is it still the plan that the 787 gets Seoul from the 400 and everything else from the 400 goes to the 777? The 787 currently does PVG along with the 400. The 777 gets the other PVG from the 400 in early October I think. My back of the napkin math estimates sfo 777 will need about another 150 FO's. Probably at least 30-40 Captains beyond the current vacancy bid. Does anyone know where the new 787's are going? SFO 787 must be getting pretty full.

HuggyU2 06-28-2017 05:24 PM


Originally Posted by jsled (Post 2386497)
Why do peeps gotta worry about what Guam pilots get ($3K/mo)?

Because... as is pointed out regularly on these forums... it is something in the contract gained at the expense of something else of value.

Looking briefly at a few online sources, while restaurants in Guam are more expensive, that's not really an indicator of "cost of living" for residents. However, Bay Area housing costs appear to be far and well above anything in Guam.

Saying "if you want Guam, then bid it" is akin to those that say there shouldn't be anything in the contract to better help commuters: "if you don't want to commute, then move to a domicile".

Whatever... no dog in this fight. I just find it interesting that United's Guam gets paid so much to go there. If they got rid of it, people would still bid it, so it cost the pilot group as a whole "something" to have it.

azdryheat 06-28-2017 06:22 PM


Originally Posted by Half wing (Post 2386819)
Sad that SYD leaves the 787 but AKL will move from the 777 to the 787 around the same time so that offsets that a bit. Even though AKL is seasonal so not an even trade. Is it still the plan that the 787 gets Seoul from the 400 and everything else from the 400 goes to the 777? The 787 currently does PVG along with the 400. The 777 gets the other PVG from the 400 in early October I think. My back of the napkin math estimates sfo 777 will need about another 150 FO's. Probably at least 30-40 Captains beyond the current vacancy bid. Does anyone know where the new 787's are going? SFO 787 must be getting pretty full.

November starts SFO AKL 787 and a second AKL 3 times a week, also 787. It's in res now. SYD has not been updated yet but the mechanics in SYD told me about the 777 about a month ago.
777-300 services 8 cites with 18-19 airframes.

MasterOfPuppets 06-28-2017 08:43 PM


Originally Posted by Half wing (Post 2386819)
Sad that SYD leaves the 787 but AKL will move from the 777 to the 787 around the same time so that offsets that a bit. Even though AKL is seasonal so not an even trade. Is it still the plan that the 787 gets Seoul from the 400 and everything else from the 400 goes to the 777? The 787 currently does PVG along with the 400. The 777 gets the other PVG from the 400 in early October I think. My back of the napkin math estimates sfo 777 will need about another 150 FO's. Probably at least 30-40 Captains beyond the current vacancy bid. Does anyone know where the new 787's are going? SFO 787 must be getting pretty full.

787 starts LAX-SIN, IAD-PEK, IAD-GRU, SFO-ICN, SFO-AKL
787 ends SFO-MUC, SFO-XIY, SFO-SYD, IAH-GIG

LAX ends IAD-LHR-IAD goes to DCA crew
SFO ends IAD-CDG-IAD goes to DCA crew

SFO gets back all SFO-HND, SFO-KIX from IAH (IAH has been flying 1/3 of each destination)

Who gets DEN-NRT-DEN? LAX or SFO? most likely whoever is most overstaffed.......

What all this means for 787 staffing I can't even guess. I would imagine both LAX and SFO are somewhere between properly and over staffed. Displacements? Maybe? To many moving parts here.


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