New Displacement Out
07-08-2017 | 02:15 PM
#22
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Where were these airframes being deployed? Who was gonna pay for them? No matter. I know first hand that Bumpity Bumps are the great equalizer. They put you EXACTLY where you wanna be. No vacancy needed. Bring em on. Keep em coming. 👍 😎
07-08-2017 | 04:29 PM
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im not a big fan of massive displacements. They disadvantage the pilots that are not in closing BES whom are patiently awaiting upgrade or wb. For instance, the junior position on sfo 787 ca is 3000 (due to fence). The junior position on the 777 sfo is 2000. 2000 is realistic number for holding wb Capt in sfo. You will see a lot of 2000-3000 seniority pilots bump into sfo. The end result is that more pilots who are too junior for the position will be taking wb Capt slots thus keeping the more senior pilots whom aren't subject to displacement from being awarded in a future vacancy.
07-08-2017 | 06:18 PM
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We, you know UCH pilots, are losing widebody jobs and hulls and you are cheering?
This is a systemwide shrinkage of our fleet and flying. The stagnation that LAX, ORD, and IAH have seen will now be the reality for SFO, welcome to the club.
We are screwed as a pilot group because of this kind of attitude. This type of shortsidedness resulted in two contracts with the 767-300 paying narrow body rates, pure genius!
07-08-2017 | 06:59 PM
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From: B-787 Captain
Maybe it is time for a Longevity based pay system and ditch the archaic Weight based system we have had for decades. Then nobody chases airplanes and bases which destroys their QOL for money.
Also, who cares what airplanes the company buys, fly the airplane that fits your butt. The company spends the same amount of money on pilot payroll and buys the correct airplane for their mission and doesn't have to figure in the pilot Drama.
Of course, this would be a big change for ALPA and it wouldn't fit into their Pattern Bargining scheme so it will never be discussed.
Stay the Course and hold the line!
Also, who cares what airplanes the company buys, fly the airplane that fits your butt. The company spends the same amount of money on pilot payroll and buys the correct airplane for their mission and doesn't have to figure in the pilot Drama.
Of course, this would be a big change for ALPA and it wouldn't fit into their Pattern Bargining scheme so it will never be discussed.
Stay the Course and hold the line!
07-08-2017 | 07:11 PM
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From: A320 Captain
Maybe it is time for a Longevity based pay system and ditch the archaic Weight based system we have had for decades. Then nobody chases airplanes and bases which destroys their QOL for money.
Also, who cares what airplanes the company buys, fly the airplane that fits your butt. The company spends the same amount of money on pilot payroll and buys the correct airplane for their mission and doesn't have to figure in the pilot Drama.
Of course, this would be a big change for ALPA and it wouldn't fit into their Pattern Bargining scheme so it will never be discussed.
Stay the Course and hold the line!
Also, who cares what airplanes the company buys, fly the airplane that fits your butt. The company spends the same amount of money on pilot payroll and buys the correct airplane for their mission and doesn't have to figure in the pilot Drama.
Of course, this would be a big change for ALPA and it wouldn't fit into their Pattern Bargining scheme so it will never be discussed.
Stay the Course and hold the line!
Spoken like someone junior trying to hold onto their seat.
07-08-2017 | 07:12 PM
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From: 787
L-CAL scabs will be bumping into widebody positions throughout the system. This hasn't "fixed" anything. There probably won't even be bumps from SFO and LAX 787 CA due to retirements and the expanding SFO 777 base.
We, you know UCH pilots, are losing widebody jobs and hulls and you are cheering?
This is a systemwide shrinkage of our fleet and flying. The stagnation that LAX, ORD, and IAH have seen will now be the reality for SFO, welcome to the club.
We are screwed as a pilot group because of this kind of attitude. This type of shortsidedness resulted in two contracts with the 767-300 paying narrow body rates, pure genius!
We, you know UCH pilots, are losing widebody jobs and hulls and you are cheering?
This is a systemwide shrinkage of our fleet and flying. The stagnation that LAX, ORD, and IAH have seen will now be the reality for SFO, welcome to the club.
We are screwed as a pilot group because of this kind of attitude. This type of shortsidedness resulted in two contracts with the 767-300 paying narrow body rates, pure genius!
How do you figure system wide shrinkage there Dave? Also how are we losing WB jobs?
07-08-2017 | 07:41 PM
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From: B-787 Captain
Yup, are we all not trying to hold on to our seats? Some of us have been around for a lot longer than others, and have seen have fast the money losing airplanes can disappear in a heartbeat.
Oscar made an interesting comment in the Pacific a few weaks ago. "We have way more International Widebody airplanes than we have profitable wide body routes, and not enough domestic airplanes for all the profitable domestic flying." He doesn't see that changing in the very near future. Way too much competition from foreign carriers.
We need to follow the money, not the airplane.
Oscar made an interesting comment in the Pacific a few weaks ago. "We have way more International Widebody airplanes than we have profitable wide body routes, and not enough domestic airplanes for all the profitable domestic flying." He doesn't see that changing in the very near future. Way too much competition from foreign carriers.
We need to follow the money, not the airplane.
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