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09-27-2017 | 10:17 AM
#151
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Yep hiring sucks, but there are other factors at play beyond Kirby is out to screw everything up.
1) TK is a construction mess
2) We quite rapidly displaced the most senior fleet with the whale
3) Failed to train bumps to allow effective redeployment (34 TDY's
into 777 SFO next month
)
4) Completely bungled closing the Chief Scabliner base
Incompetence has it's price unfortunately. Training resources are tapped.
1) TK is a construction mess
2) We quite rapidly displaced the most senior fleet with the whale
3) Failed to train bumps to allow effective redeployment (34 TDY's
into 777 SFO next month
)4) Completely bungled closing the Chief Scabliner base
Incompetence has it's price unfortunately. Training resources are tapped.
2)Those displacements didn't go to the 737, 320, or 756. So why no new hire training in those fleets?
3) They failed to offer vacancies for the right seat 777 in SFO. That's why the TDYs. They thought they'd get more bumps from the -400 to the 777 and were wrong, as usual.
4) Absolutely. Who's ultimately responsible for that?
09-27-2017 | 10:40 AM
#153
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Side note for all those who believe that the TK construction is limiting training.....
ALL sims are available, accessible, and up and running and have been for months. The construction is not a training constraint. The different routes you have to walk in order to get to them may be different but the sims and FTDs are up and running. Stop using the construction as an excuse.
ALL sims are available, accessible, and up and running and have been for months. The construction is not a training constraint. The different routes you have to walk in order to get to them may be different but the sims and FTDs are up and running. Stop using the construction as an excuse.
09-27-2017 | 10:56 AM
#154
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09-27-2017 | 10:58 AM
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09-27-2017 | 11:11 AM
#156
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Side note for all those who believe that the TK construction is limiting training.....
ALL sims are available, accessible, and up and running and have been for months. The construction is not a training constraint. The different routes you have to walk in order to get to them may be different but the sims and FTDs are up and running. Stop using the construction as an excuse.
ALL sims are available, accessible, and up and running and have been for months. The construction is not a training constraint. The different routes you have to walk in order to get to them may be different but the sims and FTDs are up and running. Stop using the construction as an excuse.
Ran into a friend that applied for the 737 PI position a few months ago. They were looking for 27-30 new 737 PI's and after he talked to the Fleet Captain, they only hired about 15.
One of the APD's said he was going to "Job Share" status, month in TK, month on the line, from his current full time TK Fleet position.
I asked around a bit, and no one seems to know what's going on.
09-27-2017 | 12:57 PM
#157
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Something is clearly going on. Pretty much everyone else is hiring at max capacity and we are at a complete standstill. Everyone says it’s due to training capacity, but you go to TK and it’s pretty empty. The few people you talk to are either there for recurrent or landings. Something is up.
09-27-2017 | 02:57 PM
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Behind in ACFT acquisition? Where have you been man? we have the first of 161 737MAX's showing up next year, we just took delivery of 14 777-300s and ordered 4 more due next year, the first of our 787-10s start showing up next year and we have 4 more 787-9s due at the end of this year.
DL has 858 jets and will be parking 176 MD80s by 2020 that takes them down to 682 aircraft in the next 2 years plus the rest of their 747s by the end of this year. They will be taking a few older 321s, the Cseries and a handful of 350s but other than that they don't have any aircraft on order......No MAXs, No NEOS, No 777. At best DL breaks even.
AA has 947 aircraft. they are parking most of their 767-300s most of their 757s and the rest of their MD80s over the next couple years. thats close to 100 aircraft. They start taking the first of their MAXs this year at best they will break even.
UA has 749 aircraft with over 180 on order over the next couple years and we are not parking anything now that the 747 is gone. So we should have 850-900 jets, basically even with DL within the next few years.
If Kirby was brought in to curb capital spending it looks like he failed at that too since he upped the A350 order, upped the MAX order and bought 4 more 777-300s....
DL has 858 jets and will be parking 176 MD80s by 2020 that takes them down to 682 aircraft in the next 2 years plus the rest of their 747s by the end of this year. They will be taking a few older 321s, the Cseries and a handful of 350s but other than that they don't have any aircraft on order......No MAXs, No NEOS, No 777. At best DL breaks even.
AA has 947 aircraft. they are parking most of their 767-300s most of their 757s and the rest of their MD80s over the next couple years. thats close to 100 aircraft. They start taking the first of their MAXs this year at best they will break even.
UA has 749 aircraft with over 180 on order over the next couple years and we are not parking anything now that the 747 is gone. So we should have 850-900 jets, basically even with DL within the next few years.
If Kirby was brought in to curb capital spending it looks like he failed at that too since he upped the A350 order, upped the MAX order and bought 4 more 777-300s....
09-27-2017 | 02:57 PM
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Behind in ACFT acquisition? Where have you been man? we have the first of 161 737MAX's showing up next year, we just took delivery of 14 777-300s and ordered 4 more due next year, the first of our 787-10s start showing up next year and we have 4 more 787-9s due at the end of this year.
DL has 858 jets and will be parking 176 MD80s by 2020 that takes them down to 682 aircraft in the next 2 years plus the rest of their 747s by the end of this year. They will be taking a few older 321s, the Cseries and a handful of 350s but other than that they don't have any aircraft on order......No MAXs, No NEOS, No 777. At best DL breaks even.
AA has 947 aircraft. they are parking most of their 767-300s most of their 757s and the rest of their MD80s over the next couple years. thats close to 100 aircraft. They start taking the first of their MAXs this year at best they will break even.
UA has 749 aircraft with over 180 on order over the next couple years and we are not parking anything now that the 747 is gone. So we should have 850-900 jets, basically even with DL within the next few years.
If Kirby was brought in to curb capital spending it looks like he failed at that too since he upped the A350 order, upped the MAX order and bought 4 more 777-300s....
DL has 858 jets and will be parking 176 MD80s by 2020 that takes them down to 682 aircraft in the next 2 years plus the rest of their 747s by the end of this year. They will be taking a few older 321s, the Cseries and a handful of 350s but other than that they don't have any aircraft on order......No MAXs, No NEOS, No 777. At best DL breaks even.
AA has 947 aircraft. they are parking most of their 767-300s most of their 757s and the rest of their MD80s over the next couple years. thats close to 100 aircraft. They start taking the first of their MAXs this year at best they will break even.
UA has 749 aircraft with over 180 on order over the next couple years and we are not parking anything now that the 747 is gone. So we should have 850-900 jets, basically even with DL within the next few years.
If Kirby was brought in to curb capital spending it looks like he failed at that too since he upped the A350 order, upped the MAX order and bought 4 more 777-300s....
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