Summer 2017 Pool
09-27-2017 | 09:08 AM
#141
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Behind in ACFT acquisition? Where have you been man? we have the first of 161 737MAX's showing up next year, we just took delivery of 14 777-300s and ordered 4 more due next year, the first of our 787-10s start showing up next year and we have 4 more 787-9s due at the end of this year.
DL has 858 jets and will be parking 176 MD80s by 2020 that takes them down to 682 aircraft in the next 2 years plus the rest of their 747s by the end of this year. They will be taking a few older 321s, the Cseries and a handful of 350s but other than that they don't have any aircraft on order......No MAXs, No NEOS, No 777. At best DL breaks even.
AA has 947 aircraft. they are parking most of their 767-300s most of their 757s and the rest of their MD80s over the next couple years. thats close to 100 aircraft. They start taking the first of their MAXs this year at best they will break even.
UA has 749 aircraft with over 180 on order over the next couple years and we are not parking anything now that the 747 is gone. So we should have 850-900 jets, basically even with DL within the next few years.
If Kirby was brought in to curb capital spending it looks like he failed at that too since he upped the A350 order, upped the MAX order and bought 4 more 777-300s....
DL has 858 jets and will be parking 176 MD80s by 2020 that takes them down to 682 aircraft in the next 2 years plus the rest of their 747s by the end of this year. They will be taking a few older 321s, the Cseries and a handful of 350s but other than that they don't have any aircraft on order......No MAXs, No NEOS, No 777. At best DL breaks even.
AA has 947 aircraft. they are parking most of their 767-300s most of their 757s and the rest of their MD80s over the next couple years. thats close to 100 aircraft. They start taking the first of their MAXs this year at best they will break even.
UA has 749 aircraft with over 180 on order over the next couple years and we are not parking anything now that the 747 is gone. So we should have 850-900 jets, basically even with DL within the next few years.
If Kirby was brought in to curb capital spending it looks like he failed at that too since he upped the A350 order, upped the MAX order and bought 4 more 777-300s....
Almost all of those aircraft orders were on the books before Kirby got here-oh and speaking of aircraft orders, lets not forget the 65ish 737's he cancelled in step with signing on 60+ 50 seater agreements, and early retirement of the 747. You talk about AA and Delta retiring all their old 76's and 75's and we are keeping ours indefinitely. I would wager ours leave roughly around the same time. And the 350's? They're just kicking that can down the road-I bet we still never see those on property. I used to share your enthusiasm, but it has been one disappointment after another with this guy. 1200 new hires, no wait, 500 new hires, no wait.. 0 new hires...
Hopefully I'm wrong on this, and your enthusiasm is warranted.
09-27-2017 | 09:29 AM
#142
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I belive at OBAP it was published that SW was just shy of 900 this year.
AA hiring is ok, but "plenty" may be a stretch when you remove the number of flows. They'll probably take roughly the same amount off the street or a little less than we do next year.
we have the first of 161 737MAX's showing up next year, we just took delivery of 14 777-300s and ordered 4 more due next year, the first of our 787-10s start showing up.....
......we are not parking anything now that the 747 is gone. So we should have 850-900 jets, basically even with DL within the next few years.
......we are not parking anything now that the 747 is gone. So we should have 850-900 jets, basically even with DL within the next few years.
DAL may taper off their hiring, who knows? OR, they were just smarter at getting ahead of the curve than Willis Tower was.....
Same here. 800->650->400 = less than 300 (253) for 2017, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha......
09-27-2017 | 09:32 AM
#143
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09-27-2017 | 09:43 AM
#144
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Yep hiring sucks, but there are other factors at play beyond Kirby is out to screw everything up.
1) TK is a construction mess
2) We quite rapidly displaced the most senior fleet with the whale
3) Failed to train bumps to allow effective redeployment (cough cough
34 TDY's into 777 SFO next month)
4) Completely bungled closing the Chief Scabliner base
Incompetence has it's price unfortunately. Training resources are tapped.
1) TK is a construction mess
2) We quite rapidly displaced the most senior fleet with the whale
3) Failed to train bumps to allow effective redeployment (cough cough
34 TDY's into 777 SFO next month)
4) Completely bungled closing the Chief Scabliner base
Incompetence has it's price unfortunately. Training resources are tapped.
09-27-2017 | 09:44 AM
#145
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Yep hiring sucks, but there are other factors at play beyond Kirby is out to screw everything up.
1) TK is a construction mess
2) We quite rapidly displaced the most senior fleet with the whale
3) Failed to train bumps to allow effective redeployment (34 TDY's
into 777 SFO next month)
4) Completely bungled closing the Chief Scabliner base
Incompetence has it's price unfortunately. Training resources are tapped.
1) TK is a construction mess
2) We quite rapidly displaced the most senior fleet with the whale
3) Failed to train bumps to allow effective redeployment (34 TDY's
into 777 SFO next month
)4) Completely bungled closing the Chief Scabliner base
Incompetence has it's price unfortunately. Training resources are tapped.
09-27-2017 | 09:48 AM
#146
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09-27-2017 | 09:54 AM
#147
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Yep hiring sucks, but there are other factors at play beyond Kirby is out to screw everything up.
1) TK is a construction mess
2) We quite rapidly displaced the most senior fleet with the whale
3) Failed to train bumps to allow effective redeployment (34 TDY's
into 777 SFO next month)
4) Completely bungled closing the Chief Scabliner base
Incompetence has it's price unfortunately. Training resources are tapped.
1) TK is a construction mess
2) We quite rapidly displaced the most senior fleet with the whale
3) Failed to train bumps to allow effective redeployment (34 TDY's
into 777 SFO next month
)4) Completely bungled closing the Chief Scabliner base
Incompetence has it's price unfortunately. Training resources are tapped.
And I’ll post it again because he is completely correct.
09-27-2017 | 09:57 AM
#148
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Behind in ACFT acquisition? Where have you been man? we have the first of 161 737MAX's showing up next year, we just took delivery of 14 777-300s and ordered 4 more due next year, the first of our 787-10s start showing up next year and we have 4 more 787-9s due at the end of this year.
DL has 858 jets and will be parking 176 MD80s by 2020 that takes them down to 682 aircraft in the next 2 years plus the rest of their 747s by the end of this year. They will be taking a few older 321s, the Cseries and a handful of 350s but other than that they don't have any aircraft on order......No MAXs, No NEOS, No 777. At best DL breaks even.
AA has 947 aircraft. they are parking most of their 767-300s most of their 757s and the rest of their MD80s over the next couple years. thats close to 100 aircraft. They start taking the first of their MAXs this year at best they will break even.
UA has 749 aircraft with over 180 on order over the next couple years and we are not parking anything now that the 747 is gone. So we should have 850-900 jets, basically even with DL within the next few years.
If Kirby was brought in to curb capital spending it looks like he failed at that too since he upped the A350 order, upped the MAX order and bought 4 more 777-300s....
DL has 858 jets and will be parking 176 MD80s by 2020 that takes them down to 682 aircraft in the next 2 years plus the rest of their 747s by the end of this year. They will be taking a few older 321s, the Cseries and a handful of 350s but other than that they don't have any aircraft on order......No MAXs, No NEOS, No 777. At best DL breaks even.
AA has 947 aircraft. they are parking most of their 767-300s most of their 757s and the rest of their MD80s over the next couple years. thats close to 100 aircraft. They start taking the first of their MAXs this year at best they will break even.
UA has 749 aircraft with over 180 on order over the next couple years and we are not parking anything now that the 747 is gone. So we should have 850-900 jets, basically even with DL within the next few years.
If Kirby was brought in to curb capital spending it looks like he failed at that too since he upped the A350 order, upped the MAX order and bought 4 more 777-300s....
09-27-2017 | 10:10 AM
#149
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So basic math says 141 deliveries. Still short of a 1-1 MD80/90 retirement and, as I said basically flat growth. The only way DL grows, as of what we know today, is if they keep the MD-90 into the 2020's.
So how am I totally wrong? If you have facts put them out there. I basically just googled DL aircraft orders and used Airfleets as a source.
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