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Old 09-07-2017, 06:42 AM
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I have zero facts, but I suppose it could end up being a 6 day out of SFO with a dead-head on either end. That would be one heck of a great trip for someone that lives in IAH. I figure it might be a 37-38 hour six day which a local IAH pilot could turn into a 37 hour 4 day. Now THAT is a trip!
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Originally Posted by intrepidcv11 View Post
Btw it is a FRMS flight so need tons of rest and local SC reserves every day to cover it.
Which adds to why this is concerning. And adds to why a domicile would need multiple WB routes to justify a WB domicile. The added training, added reserves, and all other additional support for one route might make it impossible for this route to ever be profitable. I'm happy about the added flying but the execution is alarming.
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Old 09-07-2017, 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by webecheck View Post
What's the logic behind the requirement of actually having a "category" at a certain domicile? Does it drive certain staffing needs that incur additional overhead costs? If so, why? If for instance the 787 has 1 trip from DEN, 1 from IAH, 4 from LAX, etc, can't it all be managed by a centralized "base"? I guess what I'm getting at is the virtual base concept or something close to it. I'm assuming the company doesn't really want to reopen a 787 category in IAH, and if that's the case I assume it has to do with a cost associated with it. So my question is why does it have to cost anything? As far as command and control "overhead" goes, I see it as similar to how the military has "detachments" instead of an actual squadron for places with minimal footprints.
IAH-SYD is FRMS, lots of different rules. I don't ever get called out for SIN so my knowledge is fuzzy
- 50 hours of rest in base at the end of the trip.
- Minimum of 36 hours of rest after arrival (this is why SIN is a 5 day
trip).
-SIN only has about 1.5hrs of time before the crew times out.
So reserves are absolutely necessary to cover delays.

This trip would not be allowed to operate as a W because of these 2 FRMS rules, it wouldn't even be able to operate as a DH trip. So IAH has to be a base. Manpower should be embarrassed, but it is great for the pilot group!

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Old 09-07-2017, 06:55 AM
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What inside source? What are you talking about?
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Old 09-07-2017, 07:03 AM
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I don't think this is necessarily manpower's fault. Just this week network planning switched next month's 10X week SFO-AKL 787 to 6X week 777-300. One of multiple examples of these people tinkering with WB routes way after manpower has been told to accommodate previous plan. This is by far the most egregious amount of buffoonery.
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Originally Posted by intrepidcv11 View Post
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Swing and a miss.
Where did I miss? IAH 787 did close. It's not open again yet. If it does actually reopen it will be a bad business decision if it maintains only one route.
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Old 09-07-2017, 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by 89Pistons View Post
Where did I miss? IAH 787 did close. It's not open again yet. If it does actually reopen it will be a bad business decision if it maintains only one route.
did you not read my post? They have to reopen it there is no way they can't due to FRMS.
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Old 09-07-2017, 07:12 AM
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They will re-open IAH 787. Prob move one 787-8 flight back to IAH (from a 767) and add DEN-NRT.

IAD 787 will not grow at all from its current size for 18 months.

When the 787-10s show up, IAH and IAD will end up getting those as 777 replacements.

Inefficiencies for all!!!
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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets View Post
did you not read my post? They have to reopen it there is no way they can't due to FRMS.
I read your post. And didn't dispute it. Jan is a long way from now. The route isn't approved yet. The NPDM process isn't complete. The bid packages haven't been put together yet.
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Originally Posted by GoCats67 View Post
They will re-open IAH 787. Prob move one 787-8 flight back to IAH (from a 767) and add DEN-NRT.

IAD 787 will not grow at all from its current size for 18 months.

When the 787-10s show up, IAH and IAD will end up getting those as 777 replacements.

Inefficiencies for all!!!
I doubt DEN-NRT will go back to IAH. DEN-NRT is a -8 and IAH won't have any -8s. They will continue to use a crew to fly in the aircraft then fly it out to NRT. IAH or any other base will get the augment depends on staffing.

-10s would not be a great aircraft for IAH because of its range. I would expect the -10 to be in IAD and ORD.
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