Heard from a solid source there is a lot of stuff that has gone on that ALPA didn’t know about. Things that would get anyone terminated. Just because some smiles at you and got your passport visa doesn’t mean they can’t be guilty of a terminable offense.

I think this is why ALPA walked back a bit in the statement they just sent out. It’s all about appearance with the SFO council and they would never admit that were wrong or that they drug the entire SFO pilot group down a rabbit hole.

Be careful throwing support and $$$ at someone that you don’t truly know.

First I know very little, in fact nothing about Lin's personal life or what she does with her spare time. But I do know this, She deserves the support of her SFOFO family of pilots.

I would rather get a little dirty by caring for one of ours, even when they may have some hidden dirt, than standing back and doing nothing. The world is full of people on the sidelines.

ALPA's issue is they have no legal nor fiduciary right or responsibility to represent or help those outside our brothers and sisters of the cockpits of UAL. I would imagine the SFO Council has been warned by National that their actions put the Association at risk. Hey, we can't even get our 5% back due to lawsuits from within the ALPA house.

It is the right thing to do, as individuals, to show our support for her.

Sadly, this one is pretty locked up tight and the most we can do at this point is to let everyone in the SFOFO Office we are behind Lin.

If there is no mechanism, then why did you suggest trying to get him to move to Houston? If the Chief Pilot is doing a poor job, it is the union's job to try and get them removed. That's one of the things that unions do is stick up for their members. Maybe that was just a legacy Continental thing too :p

It’s the unions job? Is it?

Dirty huh? Like a flight office that secretly films employees, continually weasels out of contractual obligations, and used “no” so often that at least on FM had his name changed to “unable”?

I never thought that any heads up from ALPA was a prelude to represent her, that would never work. However concerned pilots have no barriers to donating as much as they want to a legal fund, a Christmas fund, or just because.

I’m not commenting about the case at hand. But if for example you knew someone had done things that would be terminable like stealing, misappropriation of funds or such things would you support them? In the end aren’t they stealing from you and your potential profit sharing.

We have all seen smiling criminals...Smisek comes to mind. I’m sure you have started a go fund me for him and volunteered your support of his wrongful send off.

Personally I don’t see a benefit to the company to fire someone without a good reason. In this case it is someone who was well liked. So to just target her to irritate the pilot group is pretty much tin hat region. I suspect that if termination is the result it was for a pretty good reason or reasons. And to be quite honest it’s none of anyone’s business to know why. Would you have the same reaction for a fired ramper, mechanic?

You can put your money wherever you want. Just don’t expect everyone else to follow.

You know Lambourne, I don't know the facts of this case (and I get the idea neither do you), so for you to start throwing red herring arguments out just isn't fair. This woman, and fellow UAL employee, deserves the benefit of the doubt as much as you would if you got in a bit of a pickle.

Additionally implying they are doing this to "irritate the pilot group" or making the implication that is what others believe about the situation is also not very kosher.

And to answer your question as direct as I can, yes if I knew and had worked with that ramper or mechanic I would feel the same.

Maybe just caring about someone in their time of struggle, self imposed or not, is what the coming holiday season is about.

Oh and I might add that if JS were my personal friend, I'd visit him in jail and see how the food and friendship was going there.

awax

Not sure what you're trying to state in your first statement.


I agree 100% with the second and I believe that has been my point.

I said I heard from a reliable source there was more to this story.

You make a lot of generalizations. Stated the office avoids contract compliance. Did you file a grievance for the massive “weasel out of” compliance issues?

I suspect you hold the company’s feet to the fire in compliance and you take full advantage of the CBA. I should think they also expect compliance. You want them to look the other way to meet your needs but don’t expect them to do so on their behalf.

To cross pollinate this issue with pilot contract issues is a broad brush. Again do your go fund me and do what you think is best.

Lambourne

I find these statements not only false but down right lies. They can't be misrepresentations because after looking back on all my posts on this subject I made no, that is zero references, to anything you are mentioning. You seem to be the one "cross pollinating" (wow that's a good metaphor for this) the issues.

As far as generalizations go, you must have a very cold heart and look dimly on people in general. Yes, that is a generalization, and you might notice my generalizations are about supporting and helping people.

Do what you may with it, but keep the lies and misrepresentations to your self.

Or maybe you have just confused this thread about caring for a fellow SFOFO person who has helped many people out over the years with another contract compliance/complaining thread.

PS. Yes, I have filed grievances in my years here at UAL.

Sheesh!!!!