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Old 12-08-2017 | 08:35 AM
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18-04V looks like WB CA seats is the focus

EWR 777 CA 5
DCA 787 CA 5
IAH 787 CA 3
LAX 787 CA 15
IAH 737 CA 7
DEN 320 CA 6

SFO 777 FO 10
LAX 787 FO 11

For some reason it appears that they are really preventing backfills on this bid. The min/max spread is large in all areas. I would expect most if not all the LAX 787 CA/FO awards to come straight off the overstaffed 787 in SFO.....THis bid may turn out to be a dud.

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Old 12-08-2017 | 09:08 AM
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I think you're right, many sfo 787 pilots will head to lax. I figured the 787 would be more overstaffed then it is apart from SFO so that's good. PC says expect a lot more bids on it for '19 flying.

I think a fair amount of back fills on the NB's. Not a lot of room between min-max in many BES, especially on the 756.

I was surprised how over staffed they still are on the 777, not counting sfo. That's also why SFO-LHR is done or will be done by DCA and IAH as a W. Source: January Bid packets.
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Old 12-08-2017 | 10:24 AM
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I think you're right, many sfo 787 pilots will head to lax. I figured the 787 would be more overstaffed then it is apart from SFO so that's good. PC says expect a lot more bids on it for '19 flying.

I think a fair amount of back fills on the NB's. Not a lot of room between min-max in many BES, especially on the 756.

I was surprised how over staffed they still are on the 777, not counting sfo. That's also why SFO-LHR is done or will be done by DCA and IAH as a W. Source: January Bid packets.
And FRA and NRT bunkie. And almost all domestic flying. Oh and don’t forget 30+ TDY’s/month. Pathetic.
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Old 12-08-2017 | 10:33 AM
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I was surprised how over staffed they still are on the 777, not counting sfo. That's also why SFO-LHR is done or will be done by DCA and IAH as a W. Source: January Bid packets.
Its not overstaffing, other than DCA 777, its limiting backfills. The effective date is April. Union SSC report says that training will be screwed until March.....They really jacked up this 747 parking, It will be nice when all the 747 pilots are trained and we can start moving forward again.
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Old 12-09-2017 | 08:46 AM
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So looking at the numbers , there are retiring approx 100 guys by April 1st and only replacing them with this latest bid 18-04 by 60 ish guys ? Def shrinking , unless they plan on coming up with a bother bid shorty after this one .


Am I reading this correctly.
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Old 12-09-2017 | 08:54 AM
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So looking at the numbers , there are retiring approx 100 guys by April 1st and only replacing them with this latest bid 18-04 by 60 ish guys ? Def shrinking , unless they plan on coming up with a bother bid shorty after this one .


Am I reading this correctly.
The same pilots that are retiring on 18-03V are retiring on 18-04V. There is only 1 additional month of retirements (March). So we are retiring 22 and replacing them with 61. In the last 2 vacancy bids we have had 344 vacancies and 145 retirements, that is not shrinking.

Comparing retirements on the vacancy min/max doesn't mean much.
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Old 12-09-2017 | 09:02 AM
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I think 58 go in Dec 2017 alone. Something is up, ***** 737 ***** recurrent training classes for Dec are being cancelled they have no Instructors. Nobody in hiring knows then the next new hire class is. They still have over 150 unfilled positions from the last bid.

Kirby is cooking the pot!

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So looking at the numbers , there are retiring approx 100 guys by April 1st and only replacing them with this latest bid 18-04 by 60 ish guys ? Def shrinking , unless they plan on coming up with a bother bid shorty after this one .


Am I reading this correctly.

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Old 12-09-2017 | 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Ni hao
I think 58 go in Dec 2017 alone. Something is up, training classes for Dec are being cancelled. Nobody in hiring knows then the next new hire class is. They still have over 150 unfilled positions from the last bid.

Kirby is cooking the pot!
You have no idea what you are talking about. This is blatantly false info used to fear monger for some reason.

DEC 5th class is running now the next class starts on DEC 12th and no classes have been cancelled except for the NOV 28th class. The next new hire class is scheduled for Jan 23.

Whats your deal?
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Old 12-09-2017 | 09:08 AM
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Correction 737 Recurrent Classes..........No Sim Instructors .......Let me change that wording



Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
You have no idea what you are talking about. This is blatantly false info used to fear monger for some reason.

DEC 5th class is running now the next class starts on DEC 12th and no classes have been cancelled except for the NOV 28th class. The next new hire class is scheduled for Jan 23.

Whats your deal?
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Old 12-09-2017 | 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Ni hao
Correction 737 Recurrent Classes..........No Sim Instructors .......Let me change that wording
Maybe you should edit your post and change your wording then.....All you have to do is log onto flying together and you would see when the next new hire classes are.

They are way behind in the training department, the 737 and 787 are hurting the most because the IAH based pilots are quitting faster then they can be replaced. The positive space tickets to DEN are coming to an end and soon the free hotel will be coming to an end. LOA 40 only requires 45 days notice to go back to the line but it takes 4-6 months to get a new PI spun up.

The moving of the training center has caused a mess in more ways than one and the company is behind. It is a reason we are hiring so little and having so few vacancy bids they simply can't train everyone.

Not sure what any of this has to do with Kirby since this was all set in motion way before he or Munoz got here.
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