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12-20-2017 | 08:56 PM
#101
Don't say Guppy
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From: Guppy driver
12-20-2017 | 09:00 PM
#102
Don't say Guppy
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From: Guppy driver
Really? With what new hires are we staffing that expansion? Our contract work rules haven’t changed in five years, the pilot productivity hasn’t gone up a bit, so whose staffing all this expansion?
If they want to build 20 hour three days instead of 20 hour four days I’m all for it. I’d gladly do 2 min turn layovers and have several more days off a month while being more productive. However the company writes the schedule and there is nothing in the contract preventing this. Meanwhile since 2013 when the 3.5:1 went into effect there has NEVER been a month in which productivity per day for 320/737 crews has even come close to 6 hours per day, let alone the 7-8 that would be needed to make us competitive to the likes of SWA. Until they start upping our productivity mgmts is just making noise. With a productivity average of 5.3 hours a day, any narrowbody staffing problem is self inflicted.
If they want to build 20 hour three days instead of 20 hour four days I’m all for it. I’d gladly do 2 min turn layovers and have several more days off a month while being more productive. However the company writes the schedule and there is nothing in the contract preventing this. Meanwhile since 2013 when the 3.5:1 went into effect there has NEVER been a month in which productivity per day for 320/737 crews has even come close to 6 hours per day, let alone the 7-8 that would be needed to make us competitive to the likes of SWA. Until they start upping our productivity mgmts is just making noise. With a productivity average of 5.3 hours a day, any narrowbody staffing problem is self inflicted.
It would be my number 1 contract "wish". It benefits everyone, including the company, and our investors. It forces UAL to use assets, including us, more efficiently. That is the best way to compete with Delta and ULC carriers.
12-21-2017 | 04:34 AM
#104
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Sep 2008
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From: 737 FO
Nope, ****e doesn’t hit the fan until line values are averaging over 85hr a month, we are in the low 70’s on most fleets and bases.
12-21-2017 | 05:32 AM
#105
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Sep 2008
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From: 737 FO
How many pilots were there on the ISL? 12487 How many are there now? 12511 What’s the growth rate since the ISL? 6 pilots per year for the past 4 years or .04%. annual growth rate over the last 4 years. How do you call that growth? That my friend is as stagnant as stagnant can be.
The junior captain at the company on 1 January 2018 is the same pilot who was the junior captain 1 January 2017.
We’ve grown our mainline fleet by 24 aircraft since 2011. 4 aircraft per year, we should have grown about 300 pilots with that kind of fleet growth, but we haven’t.
Which CPO pep rally are they handing out this “we are growing” flavored kool aid? I need something to cut my pessimistic statistics with to take the edge off.
12-21-2017 | 06:15 AM
#106
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Mar 2006
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From: guppy CA
12-21-2017 | 06:19 AM
#107
Line Holder
Joined: Sep 2010
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From: UAL retired
Vacancy Bid Jr Captain as per the published Jr man table
16-06v 9523
16-10v 9658 June 2016 peak
16-11v 9651
17-01v 9606
17-04v 9513
17-07v 9458
17-10v 9432
18-03v 9252
18-04v 9189 December 2017...
1.5 years for the junior captain to go 469 numbers more senior.
I'm not saying the sky is falling but we aren't growing.
16-06v 9523
16-10v 9658 June 2016 peak
16-11v 9651
17-01v 9606
17-04v 9513
17-07v 9458
17-10v 9432
18-03v 9252
18-04v 9189 December 2017...
1.5 years for the junior captain to go 469 numbers more senior.
I'm not saying the sky is falling but we aren't growing.
Not brain surgery, Hah! Tell that to the MBA’s that just closed and opened a base in in Houston or added 75 more 756 pilots without buying more planes.
How many pilots were there on the ISL? 12487 How many are there now? 12511 What’s the growth rate since the ISL? 6 pilots per year for the past 4 years or .04%. annual growth rate over the last 4 years. How do you call that growth? That my friend is as stagnant as stagnant can be.
The junior captain at the company on 1 January 2018 is the same pilot who was the junior captain 1 January 2017.
We’ve grown our mainline fleet by 24 aircraft since 2011. 4 aircraft per year, we should have grown about 300 pilots with that kind of fleet growth, but we haven’t.
Which CPO pep rally are they handing out this “we are growing” flavored kool aid? I need something to cut my pessimistic statistics with to take the edge off.
How many pilots were there on the ISL? 12487 How many are there now? 12511 What’s the growth rate since the ISL? 6 pilots per year for the past 4 years or .04%. annual growth rate over the last 4 years. How do you call that growth? That my friend is as stagnant as stagnant can be.
The junior captain at the company on 1 January 2018 is the same pilot who was the junior captain 1 January 2017.
We’ve grown our mainline fleet by 24 aircraft since 2011. 4 aircraft per year, we should have grown about 300 pilots with that kind of fleet growth, but we haven’t.
Which CPO pep rally are they handing out this “we are growing” flavored kool aid? I need something to cut my pessimistic statistics with to take the edge off.
1) The ISL included almost 1000 pilots that were still voluntarily on leave. The majority of those pilots have since returned to the line. I had this same disagreement a month ago with another poster. He too insisted on ignoring the list of "active pilots". Personally I find that list to be a much better indication of pilot labor force growth.
2) The junior man list over an 18 month period is not a valid look because you are forgetting the numbers shown are not "hire date". Personally in that same 18 month period I have gone from 55% on the A320 captain list to now 36% on the A320 captain list. That is HUGE movement in 18 months.
3) Finally and most importantly and has been said over and over by several posters like MoP and others, 2017 was all about correcting past inefficiencies. I suggest, you wait until the end of 2018 before you start declaring stagnation rules the day.
12-21-2017 | 06:58 AM
#108
Banned
Joined: Feb 2011
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From: 756 Left Side
Maybe we need to define 'growth'.
The reality is, while we have increased our number of mainline aircraft since the merger, we have NOT increased the number of Pilots (in significant numbers) on the seniority list, as Davessn763 pointed out.
Pilots coming back from Leaves and better pilot utilization plus closer adherence to the UPA has worked into the company's favor.
Until I see a Seniority List with 13000 pilots, it's all fluff.
Funny how people where touting 13000, 16000 and even 18000 pilots on the list in a few years.. a few years ago!
Reality today-, 12496 pilots on the list for Jan 2018.
Bet?!-
In one year, if we revisit this thread... still less than 13000 pilots on the Seniority List. (12756~)
Merry Xmas
Motch
The reality is, while we have increased our number of mainline aircraft since the merger, we have NOT increased the number of Pilots (in significant numbers) on the seniority list, as Davessn763 pointed out.
Pilots coming back from Leaves and better pilot utilization plus closer adherence to the UPA has worked into the company's favor.
Until I see a Seniority List with 13000 pilots, it's all fluff.
Funny how people where touting 13000, 16000 and even 18000 pilots on the list in a few years.. a few years ago!
Reality today-, 12496 pilots on the list for Jan 2018.
Bet?!-
In one year, if we revisit this thread... still less than 13000 pilots on the Seniority List. (12756~)
Merry Xmas
Motch
12-21-2017 | 08:03 AM
#110
UCH Pilot
Joined: Oct 2014
Posts: 776
Likes: 1
From: 787
Not brain surgery, Hah! Tell that to the MBA’s that just closed and opened a base in in Houston or added 75 more 756 pilots without buying more planes.
How many pilots were there on the ISL? 12487 How many are there now? 12511 What’s the growth rate since the ISL? 6 pilots per year for the past 4 years or .04%. annual growth rate over the last 4 years. How do you call that growth? That my friend is as stagnant as stagnant can be.
The junior captain at the company on 1 January 2018 is the same pilot who was the junior captain 1 January 2017.
We’ve grown our mainline fleet by 24 aircraft since 2011. 4 aircraft per year, we should have grown about 300 pilots with that kind of fleet growth, but we haven’t.
Which CPO pep rally are they handing out this “we are growing” flavored kool aid? I need something to cut my pessimistic statistics with to take the edge off.
How many pilots were there on the ISL? 12487 How many are there now? 12511 What’s the growth rate since the ISL? 6 pilots per year for the past 4 years or .04%. annual growth rate over the last 4 years. How do you call that growth? That my friend is as stagnant as stagnant can be.
The junior captain at the company on 1 January 2018 is the same pilot who was the junior captain 1 January 2017.
We’ve grown our mainline fleet by 24 aircraft since 2011. 4 aircraft per year, we should have grown about 300 pilots with that kind of fleet growth, but we haven’t.
Which CPO pep rally are they handing out this “we are growing” flavored kool aid? I need something to cut my pessimistic statistics with to take the edge off.
