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sleeves 01-26-2018 12:20 PM


Originally Posted by Skyw (Post 2512188)
The lack of respect for RJ pilots is unacceptable. Don't assume you make more money than me. Flying isn't my only job, I fly part-time and pay people to pick up my trips. I feel sorry for pilots like you flying full-time. It's a good way to lose a decade or two off your life.

Bwaaa, don't assume flying is my only job either. I run a couple of other businesses. I have no respect for You!

svergin 01-26-2018 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by sleeves (Post 2512318)
Bwaaa, don't assume flying is my only job either. I run a couple of other businesses. I have no respect for You!

Aren't you violating your parole by starting that business up again?

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Skyw 01-26-2018 02:27 PM


Originally Posted by Boeing Aviator (Post 2512262)
Spirit has an agreement in principle for a 45% pay raise, Virgin just got a sizable raise in their Alaska merger contract. Frontier and JetBlue are next up both with big pay increases. I believe Allegent got a sizable raise a year or two ago. It’s called pattern bargaining and it’s ALPA’s wet dream. The LCC’s ability for profit and to survive on extremely low fares reduce significantly as their companies mature with higher wages and higher longevity employees. Kind of levels the playing field.

The problem facing United is that margins have been dropping for the past few years. Airlines stocks have been performing well because investors believed everyone would reduce capacity growth. But the other day, United just created a more margin pressure by announcing more capacity growth. The big markets are oversaturated with mainline and LCCs already! United wants to significantly expand the regional cities, but where does United think the regional pilots coming from? That plan might be in limbo unless United starts raising RJ pay by 50%.

Can United really compete longer term with the LCCs? LCCs don't have to pay for the highly unprofitable regional jet routes like mainline. United is not structured to be a LCC. United is heavily exposed to international and it's not as profitable compared to domestic. Norwegian and other European LCCs pose a major threat to international profitability. As I was reading through the United investor presentation, they have 90 aircraft to park (return to the lessor) in an economic downturn. But what about the financial obligations on the other 630 jets? United has ****ed off investors with their growth plans. It's going kill margins, but good for customers that don't want to pay more than 100 dollars for a ticket. Can United execute? I don't think so.

svergin 01-26-2018 02:33 PM


Originally Posted by Skyw (Post 2512428)
The problem facing United is that margins have been dropping for the past few years.

United just made $3.5B in pre-tax profits. We also have 52 planes being delivered in 2018-2019. From where I sit things look pretty good.

The only problem I see is too much RJ flying that we should be doing in house, and not with express carriers.

Grumble 01-26-2018 04:47 PM


Originally Posted by Chief Brody (Post 2512144)
This idea has been around since the 90s. Kirby really gets paid for this??? What a visionary!!

No, the vision is to expand it. Start hitting under served, or absent service communities. The antithesis of “shrink to profitability” is what’s visionary around here.

I’m not advocating scope relief, but I am saying I applaud what he’s trying to do. Just bring those hulls (back) to mainline, then he can have all of them he wants.

Skyw 01-27-2018 05:54 AM


Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 2512540)
No, the vision is to expand it. Start hitting under served, or absent service communities. The antithesis of “shrink to profitability” is what’s visionary around here.

I’m not advocating scope relief, but I am saying I applaud what he’s trying to do. Just bring those hulls (back) to mainline, then he can have all of them he wants.

They need to bring XJT pilots over to the UAL seniority list too. If not, they will go to the LCCs.

baseball 01-27-2018 06:22 AM


Originally Posted by Skyw (Post 2512428)

Can United really compete longer term with the LCCs? LCCs don't have to pay for the highly unprofitable regional jet routes like mainline. United is not structured to be a LCC. United is heavily exposed to international and it's not as profitable compared to domestic. Norwegian and other European LCCs pose a major threat to international profitability. As I was reading through the United investor presentation, they have 90 aircraft to park (return to the lessor) in an economic downturn. But what about the financial obligations on the other 630 jets? United has ****ed off investors with their growth plans. It's going kill margins, but good for customers that don't want to pay more than 100 dollars for a ticket. Can United execute? I don't think so.

If United wants to really compete, the company should be looking to cut out layers of redundancy within it's managerial ranks. There's like 2 or sometimes 3 people that do redundant jobs. They should get a consulting company to come in and look at how their office, administrative, managerial, and support staff operate and look to gain efficiencies there. The front-line workers at the airports and in the jets are running things pretty tight. Behind the scenes....not so much.

Scottkirby 01-27-2018 06:23 AM

Im sure we will hire the best Xjt pilots. Spirit can take the rejects like you skyw 😉

baseball 01-27-2018 06:27 AM


Originally Posted by svergin (Post 2512435)
We also have 52 planes being delivered in 2018-2019.

Who's gonna fly those 52 planes? #NOT ENOUGH COPILOTS!

da42pilot 01-27-2018 06:29 AM


Originally Posted by Really (Post 2512183)
Thats my point from the post above. Small airplanes DO NOT make money by themselves without being subsidized!! (They just lose less money on thin routes than do big airplanes. And are used to capture market share in HUBS.) That is the reason only rich people fly on corporate airplanes. They are the only ones that can afford the cost!:eek:

It’s a symbiotic relationship, really. RJs boost mainline profitability and competitiveness(if used correctly), but paying us RJ pilots UA rates means even more money lost flying the small airplanes, potentially negating the boost in profitability.


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