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Originally Posted by Skyw
(Post 2513176)
If you don’t understand the criticism, you must have little aviation/airline experience. Not a surprise, United likes to hire young and inexperienced pilots...ha!
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Originally Posted by mainlineAF
(Post 2513196)
Regional lifers are sad and pathetic creatures.
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Originally Posted by Skyw
(Post 2513169)
ALPA is afraid of competition and rightfully so. But ALPA lost the NAI fight. This will affect all our careers, but mostly the major pilots. How can airlines like NAI staff their fleet? I point the finger at ALPA for not having direct flows to the majors for all ALPA regional pilots. Mainline has turned down many decent pilots throughout the years. Is it fair that these pilots can’t advance their careers and fly larger aircraft for a discount airline? Or, should ALPA pilots demand that the regional rejects be stuck flying an RJ for the rest of their lives? Even if the RJ pilots don’t fly for NAI, they are going to Frontier and Spirit; which may pressure mainline wages in the future. ALPA failed at protecting RJ pilots and their career advancement. ALPA deserved to lose the NAI fight.
You do know NAI has been hemmoraging money right? Their losses grow with every report. |
Originally Posted by Andy
(Post 2513059)
Well, it's wrong. A 50 seat RJ's CASM is almost double that amount. I don't know the source but it's not correct.
Well that chart was from 2003 and maybe not as precise. Here's one from 2013. I think it's getting closer :D Is the 50 seat Regional Jet Really so Bad with No Future ? Before I get to get where they go I want to touch on a myth in regard to the high fuel burn of the CRJ per seat, as per a study by PlaneStats let’s look at Gallons per Seat Hour of various Regional Airliners and put that myth behind us. Please note, the more seats an aircraft has the better the number generally will be, and that plus/minus all the regional aircraft have the same speed per hour. Gallons per Seat Hour Table EJet-175 with 80 seats = 5.5 -12.7% EJet-190 with 100 seats = 5.7 -9.5 % CRJ-700 with 66 seats = 6.1 -3.1% CRJ-900 with 78 seats = 6.2 -1.6% CRJ-200 with 50 seats = 6.3 BASE EJet-170 with 72 seats = 6.8 +7.9% ERJ-145 with 50 seats = 7.0 +11.1% ERJ-140 with 44 seats = 8.5 +34.9% ERJ-135 with 37 seats = 10.1 +60.3% Interesting to see the 72 seat EJet-170 burning 7.9% more fuel per seat hour than the CRJ and there is a case for the ERJ-140/135 to be taken out asap, but the stories about the 50 seaters burning a disproportionate amount of fuel per seat is just false, thank you. Regional jets and turboprops have always operated in higher yield markets than narrowbodies of legacy airlines, to offset the higher CASM (cost per available seat mile) of having fewer seats over which to spread the operating and overhead costs. As an example where a legacy airline has a Yield of $0.1273 and a passenger load factor of 83.7% for a PRASM (passenger unit revenue per available seat mile) of around $0.1066 and a CASM (cost per available seat mile) of $0.1040 for a 2.5% margin from passenger services, a regional airlines numbers would be a lot different. A sample regional may have a Yield of $0.2800, a passenger load factor of 75% for a PRASM of $0.2100 and CASM of $0.1950 for a margin of 7.1%. Note the higher yield and higher CASM, as these smaller aircraft must have higher unit yields to cover the higher unit costs of operating smaller equipment. Therefore, ideal for new markets where demand is not yet known or where demand is known and does not justify a larger aircraft. |
Originally Posted by Grumble
(Post 2513205)
You do know NAI has been hemmoraging money right? Their losses grow with every report.
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Originally Posted by Sunvox
(Post 2513210)
Well that chart was from 2003 and maybe not as precise. Here's one from 2013. I think it's getting closer :D
Because a lot of the regionals' costs are picked up the majors, the actual operating costs of RJs gets very convoluted and is hard to pull up exact numbers off of their securities filings. For instance, SkyWest's filing mentions that fuel, station rents, and some maintenance is paid for by the contracting airline so SkyWest's CASM doesn't account for all of their costs. Those numbers aren't going to be captured by a regional's security filings because those costs do not effect their financials. |
Originally Posted by Skyw
(Post 2513174)
I’ve never failed an interview at any airline or company. I have more flying experience than you and most mainline pilots. I can get hired at any airline I want. But, I’m financially well off and even if United offer me a job, I could not accept it based on my schedule and vacation. I value time off.
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Originally Posted by Skyw
(Post 2513174)
I’ve never failed an interview at any airline or company. I have more flying experience than you and most mainline pilots. I can get hired at any airline I want. But, I’m financially well off and even if United offer me a job, I could not accept it based on my schedule and vacation. I value time off.
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Originally Posted by mainlineAF
(Post 2513196)
Regional lifers are sad and pathetic creatures.
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Originally Posted by oldmako
(Post 2513222)
That fact doesn't fit in with his narrative.
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