Three JS listed, two JS on Airbus
05-30-2018 | 05:30 AM
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Am I the only one that thinks that our jumpseat rules are complete garbage? Every other airline does FCFS within a time window and we’re the only place where a senior guy can list 10 mins prior to push and bump you off. Which has happened to me more than once already. Glad we’re on the same team! 🙄
05-30-2018 | 07:46 AM
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Although there is a “special” subset that has a track record of not looking out for pilots.
If the senior jumpseater for example was an 87' hire date he/she might be way up the list for a seat in the cabin. Meanwhile the junior jumpseater is say a 15' hire date. Way down the list for a cabin seat. The normal etiquette is for the senior guy to stand by for a seat in the cabin to allow the junior jumpseater an opportunity to occupy the jumpseat.
Getting the most senior non rev on in your example would often not be the junior pilot but someone else.
Getting the most senior non rev on in your example would often not be the junior pilot but someone else.
“I’m gonna take the JS to help get more standbys on.....”
05-30-2018 | 12:35 PM
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[QUOTE=John Carr;2605204]Well, sure.......
^^^^THIS
Although there is a “special” subset that has a track record of not looking out for pilots.
^^^^AND this.
“I’m gonna take the JS to help get more standbys on.....”[/QUOTE
Exactly. I see this frequently and it ****es me off to no end. I don’t mind if the guy is one above me on the cabin standby list but it’s usually some super senior guy who’s way above me for the cabin and already gone down to take the JS. Clueless and selfish is what it is. Some of these guys don’t even list for the cabin.
^^^^THIS
Although there is a “special” subset that has a track record of not looking out for pilots.
^^^^AND this.
“I’m gonna take the JS to help get more standbys on.....”[/QUOTE
Exactly. I see this frequently and it ****es me off to no end. I don’t mind if the guy is one above me on the cabin standby list but it’s usually some super senior guy who’s way above me for the cabin and already gone down to take the JS. Clueless and selfish is what it is. Some of these guys don’t even list for the cabin.
05-30-2018 | 01:00 PM
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Exactly. I see this frequently and it ****es me off to no end. I don’t mind if the guy is one above me on the cabin standby list but it’s usually some super senior guy who’s way above me for the cabin and already gone down to take the JS. Clueless and selfish is what it is. Some of these guys don’t even list for the cabin.
Think about how that sounds to every other working group at UAL. Ever wonder why some gate agents don’t like pilots?
05-30-2018 | 01:12 PM
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Senior guy takes the cabin coach seat in respective seniority order and junior guy takes the unoccupied jumpseat and you stretch that into "get on the plane out of seniority order" ....
Nobody is doing anything below board....
How's this ....I utilize a vacation pass and let the gamesmanship begin.... look at all the "out of seniority order" status I've gained now.
05-30-2018 | 01:46 PM
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That's a weak effort at a low blow....really..?
Senior guy takes the cabin coach seat in respective seniority order and junior guy takes the unoccupied jumpseat and you stretch that into "get on the plane out of seniority order" ....
Nobody is doing anything below board....
How's this ....I utilize a vacation pass and let the gamesmanship begin.... look at all the "out of seniority order" status I've gained now.
Senior guy takes the cabin coach seat in respective seniority order and junior guy takes the unoccupied jumpseat and you stretch that into "get on the plane out of seniority order" ....
Nobody is doing anything below board....
How's this ....I utilize a vacation pass and let the gamesmanship begin.... look at all the "out of seniority order" status I've gained now.
Vacation pass, they’re yours do as you want. I have never used a vacation pass for a commute. I actually use them for vacation with my family but I don’t have a problem if someone wants to use them to commute. We all get an allotment to use as needed. I’d personally rather see us all get X number of fee waived FC/BC seats for travel. It’s the only reason I use them. To go international with a chance for a comfy seat fee waived.
05-30-2018 | 02:02 PM
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It was an honest question. Why are we as pilots so special that we should get on ahead of other more senior coworkers? And that someone would get ****ed because a senior pilot didn’t screw a coworker for the junior person.
Vacation pass, they’re yours do as you want. I have never used a vacation pass for a commute. I actually use them for vacation with my family but I don’t have a problem if someone wants to use them to commute. We all get an allotment to use as needed. I’d personally rather see us all get X number of fee waived FC/BC seats for travel. It’s the only reason I use them. To go international with a chance for a comfy seat fee waived.
Vacation pass, they’re yours do as you want. I have never used a vacation pass for a commute. I actually use them for vacation with my family but I don’t have a problem if someone wants to use them to commute. We all get an allotment to use as needed. I’d personally rather see us all get X number of fee waived FC/BC seats for travel. It’s the only reason I use them. To go international with a chance for a comfy seat fee waived.
05-30-2018 | 02:14 PM
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The two times I’ve asked a fairly senior guy if he would have gotten a seat the answer was “I would rather sit up here than in a middle seat.” Both times, after a “suggestion” the senior guy got his middle seat and swapped with the guy who had the jumpseat. Took one minute and everyone is happy. This is not that hard.
05-30-2018 | 02:14 PM
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The pilot that is too junior to get on the JS asking the senior pilot to bump another employee so he/she can get on the JS is weak IMHO. I may be in the minority. I never dreamed of doing that in my first 20 yrs when I commuted. But I haven’t commuted in a while. Maybe I’m just getting old but I don’t think I’m more important than the senior coworker who didn’t get a seat because the senior pilot hooked up the junior pilot by taking a seat from a coworker.
05-30-2018 | 02:15 PM
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