Three JS listed, two JS on Airbus
05-31-2018, 04:34 AM
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I personally don’t agree with that view point . You def are in the minority in today’s world . Having commuted for the last 10 or so.
The whole non rev thing goes in seniority regardless of which work group you are in , pilot , FA , ground ops etc .
So by having a senior 87 hire ride the back and allowing the 2015 hire to sit in the Jumpseat , no seat was taken away from that ground ops fellow , him nor any other group besides the pilot group had access to that jump seat at any point.
The seats in the back of the airplane are the ONLY ones that other groups access too , so I don’t see it as you describe .
Respectfully don’t agree with your view point .
The whole non rev thing goes in seniority regardless of which work group you are in , pilot , FA , ground ops etc .
So by having a senior 87 hire ride the back and allowing the 2015 hire to sit in the Jumpseat , no seat was taken away from that ground ops fellow , him nor any other group besides the pilot group had access to that jump seat at any point.
The seats in the back of the airplane are the ONLY ones that other groups access too , so I don’t see it as you describe .
Respectfully don’t agree with your view point .
05-31-2018, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by mpilot153
The mystery is the senior pilot who doesn’t LIST until inside a half an hour prior to push. Had the senior pilot listed, the junior pilot could have taken an earlier flight, or turned it into a 2 leg commute and gone through a different hub.
Originally Posted by rightside02
I personally don’t agree with that view point . You def are in the minority in today’s world . Having commuted for the last 10 or so.
The whole non rev thing goes in seniority regardless of which work group you are in , pilot , FA , ground ops etc .
So by having a senior 87 hire ride the back and allowing the 2015 hire to sit in the Jumpseat , no seat was taken away from that ground ops fellow , him nor any other group besides the pilot group had access to that jump seat at any point.
The seats in the back of the airplane are the ONLY ones that other groups access too , so I don’t see it as you describe .
Respectfully don’t agree with your view point .
The whole non rev thing goes in seniority regardless of which work group you are in , pilot , FA , ground ops etc .
So by having a senior 87 hire ride the back and allowing the 2015 hire to sit in the Jumpseat , no seat was taken away from that ground ops fellow , him nor any other group besides the pilot group had access to that jump seat at any point.
The seats in the back of the airplane are the ONLY ones that other groups access too , so I don’t see it as you describe .
Respectfully don’t agree with your view point .
05-31-2018, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Hilltopper89
I’d be willing to bet you are in the vast minority. The junior guy isn’t asking him to bump anybody. He’s asking a fellow pilot to help him get to work. And I’ve never asked...I just hope they have the sense to do it on their own. Somehow you think this comes down to junior pilots thinking they’re better than everybody else? Jeez. I guess I’m done here then. So how do you feel about senior guys with a PS seat who take the Jumpseat to help the gate agent out when there are guys listed for the JS? Cuz I’ve seen this as well.
I recently had this happen to me. Missed my commute because a PS0 was willing to take the JS in order to “help” the gate agent and screwed me out of my ride to work. The turn around on my PDR was minutes. The gate agent was getting a thrashing from ORD within 5 minutes of me filing (I was still there), and the offending pilot had prostan and the PDR guys calling him as soon as they blocked in.
Do not do this.
05-31-2018, 11:17 AM
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1000 percent agree on the positive space stuff . I have never seen this happen here so far .
Few times Last airline I’d be in the back non reveing home and gate agent would come down with another non rev etc and say oh can you take the jump seat so he/she can get on . Clearly right in front of everyone putting me on the spot lite . Have had this happen a Half dozen times . Completely unacceptable .
On the other hand , I have had the gate agent approach hour prior , “saying hey here is a mom / dad of such and such gate agent , they won’t get on unless you could maybe take the jumps seat . Any chance you could help ?” Totally dif approach and story . But not in front of a loaded airplane door ready to close.
Few times Last airline I’d be in the back non reveing home and gate agent would come down with another non rev etc and say oh can you take the jump seat so he/she can get on . Clearly right in front of everyone putting me on the spot lite . Have had this happen a Half dozen times . Completely unacceptable .
On the other hand , I have had the gate agent approach hour prior , “saying hey here is a mom / dad of such and such gate agent , they won’t get on unless you could maybe take the jumps seat . Any chance you could help ?” Totally dif approach and story . But not in front of a loaded airplane door ready to close.
05-31-2018, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by rightside02
On the other hand , I have had the gate agent approach hour prior , “saying hey here is a mom / dad of such and such gate agent , they won’t get on unless you could maybe take the jumps seat . Any chance you could help ?”
05-31-2018, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Grumble
If you’re reading this thread, and are giving up your PS seat to ride the JS to “help” you are creating an expectation and abrogating a negotiated benefit in the UPA and damaging the QOL of all of us.
I recently had this happen to me. Missed my commute because a PS0 was willing to take the JS in order to “help” the gate agent and screwed me out of my ride to work. The turn around on my PDR was minutes. The gate agent was getting a thrashing from ORD within 5 minutes of me filing (I was still there), and the offending pilot had prostan and the PDR guys calling him as soon as they blocked in.
Do not do this.
I recently had this happen to me. Missed my commute because a PS0 was willing to take the JS in order to “help” the gate agent and screwed me out of my ride to work. The turn around on my PDR was minutes. The gate agent was getting a thrashing from ORD within 5 minutes of me filing (I was still there), and the offending pilot had prostan and the PDR guys calling him as soon as they blocked in.
Do not do this.
05-31-2018, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by John Carr
And the pitfall being, you get "unseated" in the back, listed for JS. THEN, 15-20 whatever mins prior a senior guy comes up and wants to bump you from the seat.
05-31-2018, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by oldmako
Sorta. Suppose its IAD-SEA or some other far away destination. Am I supposed to shoehorn myself into Crap7 JS so that a bag smasher hired last month can occupy a seat in Econ Plus? While I agree that we look like jerks when we don't, at some point it becomes a real issue.
I have done that more than a dozen times during my tenure at MU. But the older I get - and the more my lower back acts up the less likely I am to agree with you. You, of course, are free to do as you wish.
I have done that more than a dozen times during my tenure at MU. But the older I get - and the more my lower back acts up the less likely I am to agree with you. You, of course, are free to do as you wish.
05-31-2018, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Grumble
Ive done this before with the agreement with the gate agent, that if anyone senior bumps me from the JS, I take back the seat in the back. Everyone is on the same page before any agreement is made.
But now your subject to the whims of the agent's ability and patience.
If the agents get busy, "unseat" you, whatever, they can be less than willing to play ball later on.
05-31-2018, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by John Carr
Right.
But now your subject to the whims of the agent's ability and patience.
If the agents get busy, "unseat" you, whatever, they can be less than willing to play ball later on.
But now your subject to the whims of the agent's ability and patience.
If the agents get busy, "unseat" you, whatever, they can be less than willing to play ball later on.
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