fanaticalflyer

I know that Long Call is 13 hour call out to Push Time. I've had Scheduling call me for a trip that was going to push 12:45 from the call. Told them it was illegal to assign me the trip. There only option was to change the trip where the push time was 13 hours from the call. They found someone else.

What happens for a Deadhead flight in which the assignment is less than 13 hours Push time. It's possible they could delay a DH flight to match the 13 hours, if they needed you bad enough, but does the 30 min check-in for a DH flight somewhat override the 13 hour push requirement? Asking in case scheduling says you have to be there for a DH, therefore you should be boarding, and are available for the DH flight out, even though it's less than 13 hours push from the call.

Lastly, If you check your schedule at 1800 coming off a Day off, and you snapshot the page at 18:00 showing no trips assigned, are you cleared until 2400, isn't that correct? So now scheduling could call at 12:01 AM but only for a long call assignment.

APC225

Correct, not phone available until midnight.

Long call to a DH or to operate is 13 hours, but long call to FSB is 12 hours and FSB callout to a DH is 30 minutes, so they could legally assign you to a DH in 12+30, it would just take two steps to do it.

Not sure why long call didn't go by show time of 12 hours, similar to short call show time is 2+30, then add 30 for DH and 60 to operate.

HuggyU2

In similar situations, has anyone felt there was a little retribution on later assignments from the desk when holding them to the contract?

fanaticalflyer

There was a trip that was so to depart at 12:55 PM with a DH at 12:25 PM. It was in open time all day long. I was coming off days off. At 1800 I took a look at my schedule and nothing there. I took pics showing nothing on my calendar. Then scheduling called me twice (no way was i picking up at 8 PM and then 11:45 PM, telling me I had the trip on my line for the next day and to call them back to confirm. Nope.

So I waited at Midnight to see if they would call. Nope. Then at 12:30 AM, they called to say I had the trip. I politely told them it was illegal. I needed 13 hours for push. Scheduler talked to supervisor and came back nicely, and said trip was gone.

I still don't know if for a fact it's 13 hours for Push AND for a DH check-in. Not sure where the gray area is for a DH. Can't see where that is defined in the contract.

LeeFXDWG

Your report time is different if showing for a DH vice a operating leg. Your report time establishes your FDP start unless there is a SC RAP involved. That’s all a DHD on the first leg would change if assigned off LSR.

Simple answer, LSR to dept time is 13 hours. Period, no wiggle room. PDR the Hotline at PDR.alpa.org if you get a questionable assignment.

Lee. PDR HOTLINE dude.

LeeFXDWG

Huggy

If you get any inclination of that, PDR to System Schedule - Crew Desk and provide the details.

That being said, yes, they can switch gears within the UPA if you tell them that’s illegal and they change to another option that is legal.

That’s the ROE.

Lee

okieskies99

Still need 12+45 from the end of a trip to even report for the next trip unless assigned prior to block in. 5e3e.

Sched try to play games with this, and say other sections override, but there’s nothing in the contract that waives, overrides, or contradicts 5e3e. Crew companion recognizes this as well from what I’ve seen. Verified by the union multiple times.

oldmako

Should that not read, LSR to REPORT time is 13 hours? I'm not walking into the cockpit and pushing back with zero prep. If not, it certainly ought to be 13 hours to ops, 14 to push. Why should a reserve assignment require cutting corners on meeting in ops, pulling papers, firing up the iPad, discussing the wx, maint status, etc etc etc?

OM. Long call reserve dude.

libertyrisk

I recently had Skeds call me just after a trip and assign me another trip the next morning with a report time that was 12+30. I told them since I was back on long call, it was an illegal assignment. The scheduler put me on hold and came back with a Field Standby assignment that started in 12hrs. When I woke up the next morning to head to the airport for FSB, that trip was on my schedule. Right at FSB report time, Skeds called and assigned me the trip.

dmeg13021

You still get 12+45 off before report after a basic trip, which trumps the long call to FSB assignment. Plus, if no FSB was sitting in open time, PDR that they made it up on the spot. This is clearly not the intent of FSB, and have seen it getting abused recently. Another reason FSB needs to credit 5 hours for going to work.