You misunderstand. Not the double deck A380. Double bubble. Double deck introduces a loss of efficiency. Double the passengers, not double the underdeck space. Too many bags, can't carry any cargo. Besides, it's an aluminum structure, limited by fatigue strength, and bendable, producible shapes in metal.

Carbon is all molded, you can do any shape you want as long as you can get the molds off. The double wide, double bubble increases cargo space. Think double wide trailer home...

 

The 380 actually utilizes a lot something called GLARE which is a glass reinforced aluminum composite. Weird stuff.

All those shapes you mentioned were run through the 3XX design phase. The 380 uses an “ovoid” shape which is what Boeing’s floating now. They looked at some pretty wierd fuselage shapes but you’re right... the traditional round tube is dead.

 

By ovoid do you mean something like an inverted bowl, allowing the cargo hold to be bigger yet keeping roughly the same frontal area?

Cheers,
Biff

 

A Little Birdy in the Seattle area hinted to me the 797 will not be introduced until after this up coming recession has passed. Don't be surprised if it doesn't burn Jet Fuel. If your going to be retiring in the next 10-15 years don't worry about it, you will never see it.

Airbus is just going to "Neo" its products and Boeing will "Max" its current products. New Engineering R&D are working the Next generation propulsion systems that will power the 797. Airbus is doing the same. We will be following the Chiness and Russians if we continue steel and Aluminum tariffs. Oil is on the way out!

Flame away Aviation Experts.

 

20-30 years from now the only things with fuel tanks will be over the road semi trucks, ocean-going ships, standby generators and airplanes.

But, let's save coal, shall we?

 

That's just it. Boeing can't afford to wait. The 320NEO is killing the guppy. The 757 replacement won't wait. The airframes are already on the edge of aging/timing out. If Boeing won't pull the trigger, I would not be surprised if the market came up with a new solution.

Namely a 757 NEO. Reengine it, put the 787 cockpit in it, presto. New plane. We already have new interiors, FedEx already has the new cockpit. Re-engine it, and the Pratt vs Rolls competition goes away, then you get the same fleet commonality again.

 

http://www.boeing.com/company/key-orgs/government-operations/wto.page

Maybe this is why Airbus sells more of the A-320, an airplane that underperforms the 737 in almost any metric.

 

https://airwaysmag.com/best-of-airways/737max-vs-a320neo/

“Although the 737-800 (and -8 MAX) have a nominal advantage in operating costs over the A320ceo/neo, Airbus has a (not-so) secret weapon up its sleeve that has more than evened the playing field: inertia in airline fleet planning. When an airline already has a large fleet of a certain type of aircraft, it is very likely to place replacement or growth orders for that same type—due to the cost savings offered by the commonality of all the divisions of the type.

Thus, the majority of carriers have ported over from the NG to the MAX and from the ceo to the neo. At the same time, Airbus has practiced aggressive salesmanship, especially in offering special deals on the A320 to startup airlines, particularly LCCs, which had traditionally been ignored by both manufacturers. Sometimes, the strategy failed, but just as frequently, it generated tangible success and growth”

I wonder how they get “aggressive salesmanship”

Subsidies allows Airbus to undercut especially in the LCC world.

 

You're sourcing Boeing for comparison? That's objectionable. Notice they didn't mention EXIM financing (your tax dollars actively engaged against you), Mil/Industrial sales and criminal behaviors (KC-46 anyone?), or a straight numbers comparison.

Fifi has zeeeeero of the performance problems the Guppy does. Never left a paying pax behind for performance on Fifi or needed a kickstand either.

What I'd really like to see (and no one has ever had) is no dookie dollars numbers from the people in Sears Tower comparison of the Bus vs Guppy.

 

I think you have your answer in the active acquisitions of used Airbus. Notice that not once (under Oscar) have we sourced any used 737s. Question answered.


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