Originally Posted by Baradium (Post 2634681)

At DL you are explicitly forbidden from listing for more than one flight in a market. Not only that but there is a commuter policy and there is no help for being "proactive" that way (in fact you're also not allowed to list for flights you don't intend to take). Your scenario is nonexistent in a time of check in priority. It just means you don't get to show up last minute and bump the other commuter. The chaotic list seems to be the current UAL one where there isn't even a cutoff time.


While I applaud the attempts to equate this to abrogating seniority, it's not. There are many aspects of this career where seniority does not make a final determination. Pay for example is longevity, not seniority. While equipment choice can affect pay, a senior pilot doesn't make more than a junior pilot is holding more senior equipment at a worse schedule. I'm not aware of any airlines where senior deadhead crewmembers get a ticket to pick confirmed seats first. It is industry standard that the jumpseat belongs to the Captain, not the senior pilot and it is also standard (although through different methods) that seniority doesn't privilege you on the list if you show up 5 minutes prior to departure... unless you're at United.

All of these responses seem to be trying to reword "I like screwing over pilots who haven't been her as long as me" into "if you don't let me do it you're abrogating seniority." I guess having a close out time for nonrevs must be abrogating seniority too. Same thing for various pass priorities.

If this is the method that the UAL group wants to keep, that's on you. But the responses seem disingenuous at best in my view.

Originally Posted by rp2pilot (Post 2635083)

So, you have 4 guys all going to work.. who gets the jumpseat?

Originally Posted by Omar 111 (Post 2635088)

The one who reserved it 6 days prior. If no one reserved it, the one who shows up at the gate first. We can reserve JS 6 days prior going to work, 4 days prior coming home, and 2 days prior for personal travel.

Originally Posted by JoePatroni (Post 2634602)

With seniority comes more responsibility, IMHO. Some of those responsibilities should include watching out for people with little or no seniority. If you are a senior guy who shows up, REGULARLY WITHOUT LISTING, and takes the jumpseat at the last minute- you are an epic failure.

Originally Posted by baseball (Post 2635130)

Last minute things happen in folks lives. I politely explained to a fella who was depending on a jump seat that I had to get to MSY to deal with a family emergency and there were no seats in the back. It was handled politely and the junior pilot who wanted the JS was more than OK with helping me get home.

Originally Posted by Omar 111 (Post 2635088)

The one who reserved it 6 days prior. If no one reserved it, the one who shows up at the gate first. We can reserve JS 6 days prior going to work, 4 days prior coming home, and 2 days prior for personal travel.

Originally Posted by Omar 111 (Post 2635088)

The one who reserved it 6 days prior. If no one reserved it, the one who shows up at the gate first. We can reserve JS 6 days prior going to work, 4 days prior coming home, and 2 days prior for personal travel.

Originally Posted by 757Driver (Post 2635300)

Wow so a commuter has two full extra days to reserve the jumpseat regardless of seniority?

Ridiculous and again, takes the Captain completely out of the equation as to who rides.

Originally Posted by IHateYou (Post 2633806)

I have lived in base for 19 years and I stopped Jump seating and/or non revving over a decade ago. If I need to go somewhere I buy tickets. 85% of my airline stress is/was eliminated by those two items. Try it.