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08-06-2018 | 02:02 PM
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You do not need a NAT trip, in fact I have a mentee that has not been NAT qualified after over a year and a half. He was able to complete IOE with doing his Class II nav and ETOPS by going from EWR to SJO. I also was able to complete IOE without having to do a NAT trip. The IOE Desk is not prioritizing West Coast 756 FOs for European trips. The caveat is you cannot cross the Atlantic until you get signed off by an LCA.
08-07-2018 | 08:36 AM
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The 787-10 does have less range, but could still be used on EWR-NRT or EWR-TLV prob even EWR-PEK. Not to mention they could even do some 787-9 routes out of EWR and have the 787-10 take over some of the SFO routes. So, does it just do the shorter range Europe stuff or does it also poach some of the more popular 777 routes??
And what new routes do we see? Thus far IAD-TLV, but with 9 787-10s, 1 777-300, and 3 767-300s coming before next summer, we are going to need several more new routes, increased frequencies on existing routes, or parking of airplanes. I know we have the first heavy maintenance cycle coming up on the original 787-8s, but that doesn't account for 13 new airplanes worth of lift.
Even with additional guidance the EWR 787 bidding and associated backfills should be good for us all. (Maybe even some movement for us lowly ORD folks- you know that city where we are headquartered!)
Hopefully more good news coming, but we are certainly blessed as these are definitely "interesting times"!
08-07-2018 | 09:33 AM
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It will be interesting to see if they actually discuss what routes they plan on using them on. Thus far just the vague Europe discussion.
The 787-10 does have less range, but could still be used on EWR-NRT or EWR-TLV prob even EWR-PEK. Not to mention they could even do some 787-9 routes out of EWR and have the 787-10 take over some of the SFO routes. So, does it just do the shorter range Europe stuff or does it also poach some of the more popular 777 routes??
And what new routes do we see? Thus far IAD-TLV, but with 9 787-10s, 1 777-300, and 3 767-300s coming before next summer, we are going to need several more new routes, increased frequencies on existing routes, or parking of airplanes. I know we have the first heavy maintenance cycle coming up on the original 787-8s, but that doesn't account for 13 new airplanes worth of lift.
Even with additional guidance the EWR 787 bidding and associated backfills should be good for us all. (Maybe even some movement for us lowly ORD folks- you know that city where we are headquartered!)
Hopefully more good news coming, but we are certainly blessed as these are definitely "interesting times"!
The 787-10 does have less range, but could still be used on EWR-NRT or EWR-TLV prob even EWR-PEK. Not to mention they could even do some 787-9 routes out of EWR and have the 787-10 take over some of the SFO routes. So, does it just do the shorter range Europe stuff or does it also poach some of the more popular 777 routes??
And what new routes do we see? Thus far IAD-TLV, but with 9 787-10s, 1 777-300, and 3 767-300s coming before next summer, we are going to need several more new routes, increased frequencies on existing routes, or parking of airplanes. I know we have the first heavy maintenance cycle coming up on the original 787-8s, but that doesn't account for 13 new airplanes worth of lift.
Even with additional guidance the EWR 787 bidding and associated backfills should be good for us all. (Maybe even some movement for us lowly ORD folks- you know that city where we are headquartered!)
Hopefully more good news coming, but we are certainly blessed as these are definitely "interesting times"!
The -10 is going to be significantly larger then any 777 (except for the 777-300 or HNL birds) or any 767’s at 318 seats. So think of routes that can sell those extra seats.
Everything I’ve read is the sweet spot for the -10 is realistically in the 8-10 hour range. Which means Europe or South America. Can it do east coast to Asia? Yes but probably with some payload penalties.
The 3 Hawaiian 767’s are rumored to be the first ones in the High J configuration. Doesn’t make sense to just have 3 planes in that configuration so I think a few more will be converted and they will fly whatever route they think they can sell all those premium seats. Isolate them to a certain market. LHR anyone?
Combined with the flight attendants in October, let the great airplane shuffle begin. Again.
08-07-2018 | 10:53 AM
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The 787-10 does have less range, but could still be used on EWR-NRT or EWR-TLV prob even EWR-PEK. Not to mention they could even do some 787-9 routes out of EWR and have the 787-10 take over some of the SFO routes. So, does it just do the shorter range Europe stuff or does it also poach some of the more popular 777 routes??
The most interesting thing to watch is where the 764 will go. With the FAs merged in OCT and the 787-10 going to EWR i predict the 764 will slide into ORD and possibly back into IAH.
If you look at 764 flying and high density 777 flying you will see where the 787-10 is going to fly from EWR.
08-07-2018 | 11:10 AM
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This is a 5000nm range from EWR. A realistic MTOW distance for the 787-10. 953761FF-5085-4995-9B6F-A1EE59461993.jpg
From an Air New Zealand investor update:
5000nm at SFO gets you to LHR/CDG (FRA right at the edge) going to Europe or NRT and very NE part of China.
From an Air New Zealand investor update:
"So the -10 is just a stretched version. And by maintaining that parts commonality, they've created a very efficient, extremely efficient, aircraft. The trade-off though, because there's always a trade-off, is that the range of that aircraft is less than you get with a 787-9 and less than you get with any of the other options. However, in the context of our network the range it offers would work well to Asia. So to put it in context, to give you - to bring it to life a little bit, the 767s we used to fly to Asia. So we used to fly them to Tokyo, to Shanghai, Hong Kong. The 787- 10 has got about the same range as that, so it suits that part of the network. It has obviously got dramatically better, like two generations between, cost economics than a 787 - sorry - than a 767".
08-07-2018 | 11:12 AM
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This is a 5000nm range from EWR. A realistic MTOW distance for the 787-10. Attachment 3833
From an Air New Zealand investor update:
5000nm at SFO gets you to LHR/CDG (FRA right at the edge) going to Europe or NRT and very NE part of China.
From an Air New Zealand investor update:
5000nm at SFO gets you to LHR/CDG (FRA right at the edge) going to Europe or NRT and very NE part of China.
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