I've done both the un-uagmented EWR-LHR (76T) and many HNL red eyes (756 and 777). Atlantic un-augmented is exponentially worse than the Hawaii ops.

If pilots would stop flying barber pole speeds on the return legs (fly the FP) we wouldn’t be running into this issue for most of the Western Europe destinations. We only have ourselves to blame for get home itus to make a commute. If pilots don’t wake up soon we will be flying unaugmented to/from IAD/EWR to BRU, CDG, AMS... just like LHR and Ireland.

This...
We voted in that -

5-E-10-b-(2) All Night Flying (“ANF”) means a flight segment, any portion of which, scheduled to operate from 0230 to 0329


So now that the 78's will be coming to EWR (already in IAD) I can see them doing EWR-BRU/AMS/CDG/LHR as 2 man crews. Plane flies at .85ish and if they can, they will...

Personally, anything going ETOPS that flies from 2200-0600 local base time should be considered ANF and be flown with 3 man. But we gave the company an out and they are just following what the Contract states.

Crazy/Sad that there is a EWR-LHR trip that leaves in the evening that is crewed as a 2 man, while the pairing before and after goes out as 3 man.
IF the 78 (-8?) replaces those 2 LHR trips, they will (probably) also be flown as 2 man crews.
How many pilots do we lose when we start to replace a .80 aircraft with a .85 aircraft?
It's the little things~

Oh well, we'll get them next time (LOL)
Contract 2020?

Always
Motch

The original recommendations made by ALPA to 117 were that ALL crossings should have a 3 person crew minimum. It's probably for ALPA to light that up again.

But.. getting back to the bid.
Yupe, EWR756 Capt going senior AND lots of outside movement coming in..
Know a bunch of senior 756FO's who are still trying/waiting to slide into the left seat.
Guess not.

Sucks.

Got to wonder what the 787 bid will mean now~

Motch

Dude...

That EWR 756 Ca bid is beyond serious senior. It’s brain dead. That level of senior on the 756 just doesn’t make sense!

It does when you compare the DCA and ORD bid packages to EWR.

It’s not just EWR. Look at us in IAH. Some of the old dug in ticks on the Guppy are finally upgrading here as well. Only 100 systemwide numbers between the JR MAN in EWR vs IAH on the snapshot. And we lost our -400 flying a long time ago!

Oh I see it. But it still doesn’t make sense. Other than the Guppy is a sorry POS to fly, because there is no financial incentive to bid the 756.

If you can hold 767-400 lines there is.