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JoePatroni 08-21-2018 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by ItnStln (Post 2659081)
Are the 767-300 and 767-400 in the same bid category or are they separate?

Same category.

DashTrash 08-21-2018 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 2659030)
Congrats, you just gave 95% of the pilots here a pay cut. Keep you two cents to yourself.

I’m not sure how I gave 95% of our pilots a pay cut? What I posted is based on a decent pay raise across the scale. All Guppy and Fifi pilots will enjoy a pay raise from two standpoints. There will not be a 700/A319 difference and for Guppy pilots they will have a blended pay increase because of the difference between the normal Guppy and MAX10. All 757 pilots will get a pay raise and actually have a better blended rate because all 767s will pay higher. The 767-400 doesn’t belong at the top pay band!!! Also, only about the top 10-15% of the 756 pilots in EWR actually have a shot at flying it.

Pay in the airlines has historically been related to seat numbers, range, and complexity.

ItnStln 08-21-2018 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by JoePatroni (Post 2659089)
Same category.

Thanks! Are 757-200 and 757-300 included as well?

DashTrash 08-21-2018 08:31 AM


Originally Posted by ItnStln (Post 2659128)
Thanks! Are 757-200 and 757-300 included as well?

The 756 Category consists of 757-200/300, 767-300/400.

LeeFXDWG 08-21-2018 08:32 AM


Originally Posted by ItnStln (Post 2659081)
Are the 767-300 and 767-400 in the same bid category or are they separate?

Same but the aircraft are limited to Ops out of specific bases due to currency requirements dealing with the cockpit displays, etc...

The 764 is more like a 777 than a 763 based on what I was told.

So, the pilots that get the 764 have a pay bump over the other bases.

Any 756 guys care to chime in.

My 2 cents.

Lee

DashTrash 08-21-2018 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by LeeFXDWG (Post 2659131)
Same but the aircraft are limited to Ops out of specific bases due to currency requirements dealing with the cockpit displays, etc...

The 764 is more like a 777 than a 763 based on what I was told.

So, the pilots that get the 764 have a pay bump over the other bases.

Any 756 guys care to chime in.

My 2 cents.

Lee

You are partially correct. We all enjoy a bump in our blended rate because of the 764, but EWR does 95+% of the 764 flying. As of now, I do not think that there is any scheduled 764 flying out of any other base. Not completely sure about that though??? So if you’re not based in EWR, you will dequal eventually before your recurrent training.

ItnStln 08-21-2018 08:45 AM


Originally Posted by DashTrash (Post 2659130)
The 756 Category consists of 757-200/300, 767-300/400.

Thanks! I assumed so but wasn’t certain.

ItnStln 08-21-2018 08:47 AM


Originally Posted by LeeFXDWG (Post 2659131)
Same but the aircraft are limited to Ops out of specific bases due to currency requirements dealing with the cockpit displays, etc...

The 764 is more like a 777 than a 763 based on what I was told.

So, the pilots that get the 764 have a pay bump over the other bases.

Any 756 guys care to chime in.

My 2 cents.

Lee


Originally Posted by DashTrash (Post 2659134)
You are partially correct. We all enjoy a bump in our blended rate because of the 764, but EWR does 95+% of the 764 flying. As of now, I do not think that there is any scheduled 764 flying out of any other base. Not completely sure about that though??? So if you’re not based in EWR, you will dequal eventually before your recurrent training.

Thanks for the explanation gentlemen!

Grumble 08-21-2018 09:19 AM


Originally Posted by DashTrash (Post 2659115)
I’m not sure how I gave 95% of our pilots a pay cut? What I posted is based on a decent pay raise across the scale. All Guppy and Fifi pilots will enjoy a pay raise from two standpoints. There will not be a 700/A319 difference and for Guppy pilots they will have a blended pay increase because of the difference between the normal Guppy and MAX10. All 757 pilots will get a pay raise and actually have a better blended rate because all 767s will pay higher. The 767-400 doesn’t belong at the top pay band!!! Also, only about the top 10-15% of the 756 pilots in EWR actually have a shot at flying it.

Pay in the airlines has historically been related to seat numbers, range, and complexity.

Assuming a “decent” raise across the rates, see below. The 777 and 787 constitute a huge portion of the pilots in IAH, SFO and LAX alone, and by your example take a pay cut to their peers compared to today.

Wrong the 763 needs to come up.

In your example:
787 now pays less than the 777
772 now pays less than the 773
This alone cuts they pay of all wide body pilots commensurate to what they’re making today. That “decent” raise just got watered down and is now worth less.

764 now pays less plus the 756 blended rate goes down, all soft time pays less. Again, your “decent raise” just got watered down. Two steps forward, one back.
Bus and guppy blended rate goes down because the bigger guppies get dragged down now, all soft time pays less


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