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Originally Posted by iahflyr
(Post 2659044)
I’m glad to see mostly people see how dumb it is that the 767-400 is banded at the highest pay band.
I don’t see the issue in “bringing down the 767-400” as long as it “brings up” the rate for the 757 and 767-300. If we have 5x as many 757/767-300 as we do 767-400, then I would be happy bringing up the 757/767 rate $1 for every $5 we bring down the 767-400 until the pay rates converge. Overall pilot compensation stays the same. That’s what we care about. Keep paybanding simple. 737 and Airbus 320 series 757 and 767 777 and 787 Less time pilots have to spend in training. Less money the company has to spend on training. More profit for our profit sharing checks. More profit that gives us leverage for a stronger contract overall. |
Originally Posted by JoePatroni
(Post 2659050)
So you want to bring DOWN a pay rate? Seriously?
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Originally Posted by O2pilot
(Post 2659351)
Why not. We did that when we pulled down the 777 and 747’s to put them at the same rate as the 787 and 767-400. Couldn’t have one legacy have a higher payrate for the 747 than the 767-400.
The 747 and 777 paid the same when the merger happened, the 777 and the 767-400 paid the same when the merger happened. See the connection? |
Originally Posted by JoePatroni
(Post 2659357)
The 747 and 777 paid the same when the merger happened, the 777 and the 767-400 paid the same when the merger happened. See the connection?
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Originally Posted by O2pilot
(Post 2659376)
Yes but we never paid the 777 down to the 767 like now. And we held back 747 pay to band it with 787.
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Today’s email update, edited:
Scott talks United’s future at IAFS This week, President Scott Kirby joined aviation industry leaders at the 23rd annual Boyd Group International Aviation Forecast Summit (IAFS) in Denver, where approximately 400 airline, airport and aircraft manufacturing executives gathered to analyze future trends in aviation.... During a fireside chat with Michael Boyd, aviation expert and co-founder of Boyd Group International, Scott focused on United’s journey... Regarding our fleet, he mentioned that starting in 2020, we anticipate retiring the 757 aircraft fleet that was original to United and replacing it with 737 MAX 10s with lie-flat seats in the first class cabin. |
Originally Posted by ItnStln
(Post 2659081)
Are the 767-300 and 767-400 in the same bid category or are they separate?
maybe something simple is needed. narrow body pay medium body pay wide body pay Hint.... if it's a heavy, it's a wide body and should pay RIGHT. |
We’ve had this contract for a while now. All rates are higher than they were under the concessionary contracts that preceded this contract. Everyone got a raise. Our current rates on the 767 are right in line with Delta and American. If you don’t like it bid off of the thing. My guess is that if it did pay the same as the 777 that most of the people complaining wouldn’t be senior enough to hold it.
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Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer
(Post 2659552)
Today’s email update, edited:
Yeah, it’s just the 15 PS airplanes, but it may mean some bumps. While I might disagree with a Max 10 doing transcontinental PS, they didn’t ask me nor is there anything in the UPA that prevents it that I know of. LUAL had some of the oldest 757s in the industry. To see the company go to the Max10 is not a surprise even on a PS configuration. My 2 cents Lee |
Originally Posted by LeeFXDWG
(Post 2660016)
And the company buys/allocates airframes to specific routing. Our oldest LUAL 757s are how old?
While I might disagree with a Max 10 doing transcontinental PS, they didn’t ask me nor is there anything in the UPA that prevents it that I know of. LUAL had some of the oldest 757s in the industry. To see the company go to the Max10 is not a surprise even on a PS configuration. My 2 cents Lee Just pointing out that with the loss of 15, and adding 3 (Hawaiian 767s), and a likely protracted new contract...could be the fleet is shrinking or on the way out before we see a new contract (and wide-body pay). |
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